Mike Dean's statement gives the Barton apologist's more ammunition - as if they needed it. There's a lot of them on this very forum, some of whom I'm very surprised with. It was a gamble taking him on and it backfired completely. Not just because of his conduct on our last and most important game of the season but his consistently poor performances and his well documented negative impact on the dressing room. Every time I see Tevez' name being mentioned on this site I cringe as I know that immediately following will be some sort of excuse for Saint Joey. I couldn't care if Tevez stubbed a Cigar out in Barton's eye. Hes not our player so it shouldn't bother us. Barton is a low life excuse of a human being who one day will end up where he deserves: behind barbed wire and bars.
Right now Barton is still our player, so if he loses an eye it should bother us But otherwise, there must be a 100 threads on this forum where probably everyone has had their go at Barton, I said he should go at the end of the season back in January because it seems clear he is a cancer in the dressing room, and nothing has happened since to change my view on that. But this thread isn't about Barton it is about Tevez and the totally inconsistent treatment given by the FA, where Barton, about fair, gets 12 games out, and where Tevez, who don't forget started this, gets absolutely F*kk A.ll!! The FA sukks. That is the point here, For me it is getting pretty boring reading pages about Barton.
I can't understand why it would bother you what Tevez gets, Ozzie? Let the City fans beat up on him. We should only beat up on our own players and the more we beat up on them when they deserve it, the better. We should look after our own house and attack our players far more often than we do. No punked-up overpaid brat should escape our vitriol. This is QPR and they should feel privileged to play for us. After all, they are all very privileged young men. Some realize that and others don't.
It is a big concern that the FA appears to act so totally inconsistently, smacks of the same corruption the FA accuse FIFA rightly of. The FA's decisions on this matter clearly favour Man City by letting an admitted red card offense that started the whole thing go free of suspension, yet penalises us by giving our player 12 games! Doesn't that bother you, if for just a second you can forget your hate of Barton!
NO!!! Not for a second. And candidly, neither would it you if Tevez did that in a game we weren't involved in. You would nae give a toss! Just as a matter of interest Oz, why did the FA accuse FIFA of corruption?
Of course it bothers us. But we all know what the FA is like. More importantly, whether Tevez should be penalised is not relevant to our issue. The problem for us is what do we as a club do about Barton? There is no way round it. We have to get rid. He will be banned for at least the first twelve games next season. There will be further suspensions during the season because he cannot control himself. Other teams have targeted him and that will not change. He will react to bad challenges and sometimes, lash out for no good reason at all. He is divisive. He managed to alienate players, particularly Adel Taarabt and managed to persuade Warnock that Aedel was a waste of space. And of course, there is the small matter of his excuse for the attacks on Aguero and Kompany - that another Ranger told him to get one of theirs sent off. That for me is even more important. Having been there and watched the rest of the team battling with all their might to get a result without being dirty and without cheating makes his excuse even more appalling. It definitely brings the club into disrepute and makes it difficult for him to be welcomed back into the fold. I too believed that he might have rehabilitated himself before he joined us and one quality I did admire was his "insight" into his own wrongdoing. However I am now convinced that there is in fact no genuine remorse and that he is merely intelligent and manipulative enough to say sorry because he gets credit for it without ever intending to change his ways. When people cross him, he will get them one way or another. Not exactly a perfect role model for our club captain. Hypothetical questions are irrelevant. We can only make a judgment on the position as we see it, namely the evidence of his overall contribution over the last season. That was poor to say the least. I will accept that he played his part in our turn around. But his overall value to our cause is now far outweighed by the damage he has caused. The psychology involved in this is always difficult for me. Apologists for the most appalling crimes will always seek to find some catalyst in a person's life or personality disorder which will in some way excuse or mitigate what is inexcusable and unforgivable. Personally, I know the difference between right and wrong and so do all of you. So does he. So there is in fact no excuse. We have gambled and lost. If someone else wants to try, let them. He should be relieved immediately of his contractual obligations to us.
It's not Tevez! It is the FA favouring the big Clubs at our expense that p*sses me off! The FA could have accused FIFA of corruption for decades, and individual members have I believe.
Ozzie, will you please read and take note of what Yorkie is saying. Excellent post there Yorkshire. Explains the problem perfectly.
No disrespect to you Yorkshire, but I must have read most of what you write about a 100 times on this Forum now! Agree with a lot of it as well. But it is not the subject of the OP of this thread! If it had been yet another thread about Barton, I wouldn't have bothered opened it.
Why it is not a relevant matter when some other clubs player (tevez) gets away with nothing when he makes violent conduct against your own team player. Later the referee admits he should have sent the player (tevez) off. If we play say, in a fa cup final and some scum player hits one of our players with elbow but did not get sent off. Again later ref admits he should have sent him off. Isn't that a relevant matter.....? This forum is all about speculation with afterwisdoms and aftermath altogether . Wake up and forget your barton hate for a second.
It'll be very relevant if we play Citeh in the first few games of next season and he scores a hatrick against us. Simple!
So Mike Dean got it wrong. And has admitted as much. The FA will do **** all about it. And what is your point apart from expressing your outrage and demanding that Tevez should be punished retrospectively. Do umpteen wrongs change the difficulty that Barton's behaviour, time and again, now cause for our owners? He may have been provoked initially. But does that provide a defence or justification for his attacks on two further Citeh players and his outrageous claim that he was doing so for our benefit? I probably don't need to answer my own question but just in case, "No it does not." Swords is clearly right about this. You are of course entitled to vent your feelings of outrage that Tevez has got away with it, but Joey Barton deserved to be sent off, deserves to be banned for a very long time and deserves the knowledge that he has placed his career in jeopardy. If you look at the start of the thread it was merely a recital by Kiwi of the news that Dean had fessed up to dropping a clanger. The thread then got taken over by a debate about Joey Barton. It is his future as a QPR player which is of concern to us. It is in that context that bringing the debate back to your sense of outrage about Tevez and the FA's ineptitude and lack of integrity is totally irrelevant. For what it is worth, I agree with you and so does Swords, Roller, StanB and I believe, every other contributor. But how does that help in deciding what to about JB?
IMO this thread is about certain wrong decision and that dean admitted that. Clearly bartons sent off and his punishment were rightly done. The thing is, that if dean had done what he should have, nobody does not speculate here anything about it. Barton and tevez both would have been sent off and maybe we wouldnt have seen barton brainfarts after that. We speculate and debate here of many matters which are done and dusted so how is this "tevezcase" different from the others? It was just another wrongly judged match and that is that but surely we can speculate with it????
My knickers are not in much of a twist because I don't reckon Tevez made much contact with Barton, I've seen worse go un-noticed. If there was contact and Mike Dean is of the opinion that it would have seen Tevez shown a red then why don't the FA issue retrospective action against him and issue a 3 match ban? It is Barton's fault he got sent off because he got caught and not Tevez. He can boo-hoo all he likes about being hard done by and that it was a reaction to a challenge/s from Tevez but he is his own man and how he reacted to get the red card then how he lost the plot afterwards is only for him to answer. But why are we expecting the FA to do the right thing? This is the same bunch of twats who pleaded for Rooney's ban to be reduced!
As usual you are blinkered Swords. Tevez should be missing the first three games one of which could be against us. Barton got away lightly with a 12 match ban but Tevez went scott free. Another bad decision against us by a referee which 'possibly' could have affected the destination of the PL championship and out PL status. The FA needs to get a grip of this refereeing fiasco. they did it in rugby so why not with the real game. What would be your view if Bolton had won and we had gone down partly because a referee made a terrible error making us finish with 10 men against 11. We might and I repeat might have won that game.
