Off Topic Migrant crisis

[The Pub Landlord]

I use the same dehumanising terms when talking about drugs dealers and *****philes. Do you think that is wrong as well?

 

[lardiman]

I use the same dehumanising terms when talking about drugs dealers and *****philes. Do you think that is wrong as well?

So all illegal migrants are no better than drug dealers and *****philes?

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

We're never going to see eye to eye on this.
Even though we're using the same language there is no understanding between us.

No point continuing to debate the subject in my view.
I just wish the people in question would not all be called scum, creatures, beings and all kinds of other insulting dehumanizing terms.
But I suppose you and others feel it is necessary.

I’ve called them criminal scum from the start and I still call them criminal scum now. Because that is what they are.

If you don’t consider them criminals then you are mistaken. They become criminals the moment they enter the UK without lawful authority.

And they are scum because they are the thin layer of unpleasant, repulsive humanity who taint the majority who try to abide by our laws and want to contribute to this country in a positive way. They defraud, they take without giving, they laze, they assault, they rape, they murder.

So criminal scum ? Yes, I can confirm that that’s how I see them, because that is what they are.

And again, don’t confuse who I am talking about with those who claim Asylum totally lawfully and with valid reason.

 

[lardiman]

Then there must be something wrong with me.
For not seeing the World the way that you do.

I'm not doing anything in this thread except digging my own grave.
When in a hole, it is best to stop digging.
See you on the rest of the forum. Cheerio...

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

Then there must be something wrong with me.
For not seeing the World the way that you do.

I'm not doing anything in this thread except digging my own grave.
When in a hole, it is best to stop digging.
See you on the rest of the forum. Cheerio...

I just wish that you would see, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with me on the specifics or the solutions, that just carrying on as we have been doing for the last 20 odd years or so, is and will completely change the orderly, civilised way of this country and inevitably lead to more criminality, violence and ultimately the breakdown of society as we have known it.

Perhaps the difference is in having children ?

If what I am predicting comes to pass, I know that I will probably just about be ok before I go to the worm God, but my daughters won’t be and if they have children in time, then my grandchildren certainly won’t be. That’s why I and others want action to be taken before it’s too late. There are horrendous nightmares ahead for future generations if we don’t act decisively over the next few years.

 

[The Pub Landlord]

So all illegal migrants are no better than drug dealers and *****philes?

Yes.

There are legitimate routes for refugees to claim asylum. The Vietnamese exodus was unique in that the South Vietnamese had nowhere to go except out to sea given that its neighbours, Cambodia and Laos, were Chinese satraps. To the best of my knowledge, although I am ready to be corrected, all other conflicts that created refugees had land based options for those fleeing. The pogrom of the Jews led us and the US to open our doors to survivors and also to create Israel after the war. Unfortunately that policy brought us Ralph Milliband, amongst other, but that's another story - analysis of those allowed in is something that interests me. It's not generally well known that Hitler offered the Jews Madagascar for resettlement but that this never came to pass - look it up. That would have saved many lives had it been accepted.

Anyway, I digress - this isn't about the Jewish issues of the 30s and 40s.

The current swarm of illegal immigrants are not fleeing from wars that have a land-based refugee option. They are bypassing the refugee system, which would weed them out, and working wih their local communities to raise money that will allow them to break in with the help of criminal traffickers, and get on the gravy train that will allow them to remit money home. There may be a few genuine cases amongst them but that begs theb question why theuy haven't applied through the proper channels.

So, again, I put them on the same level as drug dealers and *****philes without apology.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Oh well. I can handle that.

Many, many immigrants who did everything by the book and paid into the system from the off are sick of this new wave who do nothing to enhance our society. Are they racist?

There's nothing racist about wanting to protect your culture, your heritage, your values. We welcome those who come to contribute and abide by the law. We must expel those who come to harm us and take the piss.

The Government are not interested in stopping the filth polluting the country, they are too detached from everyday life and more concerned with lining pockets.

They do not care that the illegals and many legitimate status immigrants are not interested in integrating, and who in the main are not interested in donig a days work. Every day is Christmas for them.

Putting together our gaff out here I put in 80k into the economy, millions of immigrants back home will not put in 80k in their lifetime roaming our streets.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Changing boards, eh?


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

Yep, moving from a chess one to a draughts one

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

We all know why this country has degraded at such a rapid rate. We have imported thousands upon thousands of undesirables. These people have no intention of blending into polite society. They do not abide by our laws and morals. They despise us and our way of life.

Before long there will be beheadings in the street, women and children will be enslaved, gays thrown from the tallest buildings.

And the liberals with their reedy voices will wring their hands and say, 'Oh, but we helped you come to our country. Why are you hurting us?'

And the invaders will say, 'You gave us your country and we didn't even have to fight for it. You are useful idiots.'

You'll most likely think me mad. I'm okay with that.

And as proven with the passing of Henry Novak, they can do wtf they want as they are untouchable.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Like I say, I'm okay with that.

The grooming gangs scandal is the start of our end days. The vast majority of the rapists have got away with their crimes, which simply emboldens the malefactor. Any sane country would destroy such a heinous enterprise. But not us, no. Too many are too afraid to call it out, thus creating a slippery slope. Rape on an industrial scale is just the beginning.

It does not help matters that the Government being complicit in this.

Don't get me started on Khan.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

@Ponders Revisited Not mad at all. It’s where we are clearly heading. I can’t understand anyone who can’t see it.

And those who can’t, or refuse to, or are unable to see it will not be spared. You simply cannot import the huge numbers of people from totally different cultures that we have done and expect everything to work out fine. It won’t. The country already feels swamped and with traditional British people with birth rates below 1, but the imported scum breeding like rats, it is only going one way, unless something is done very soon.

The next general election is a chance to change things, but I don’t think the chance will be taken. It is probably too late already. Any attempt to bring in the actions that are needed would lead to widespread disorder from those who are benefitting from the current way. And we don’t have the resources anymore to enforce law and order if that happens.

I’ve said it lots of times already - the breakdown of law and order, as we know it in this country, is closer than many believe and the barrier currently preventing that from happening is wafer thin.

Again, I’ve said this before, but being in a place where law and order doesn’t exist, is more terrifying than anything else you can imagine and that’s with the weapons and means to have a reasonable chance of defending yourself.

Without those…….I dread to think.

The events this week in Southampton are showing we are on the verge.

Perhaps one day a copper will take off their uniform and put on a pair of jeans and join us realising things have gone to s***.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Like I said, we are not seeing peaceful integration or blending now. Society is fractured like never before. Heaping unknown, undocumented men onto communities is doing nothing for cohesion. Crime increases once boat migrants enter the area. And it's not just theft, it's sex crimes. Women and girls' lives are being destroyed, all because the politicians are too afraid to build camps.

Places such as Leicester and Bradford are prime examples of how integration has failed dismally. Most supporters travel in for the football, then leave straight after. Those places are enclaves nowadays.

Do you know of Muslims praying alongside Jews? If so, that's very good. It must be a rarity in these times.

Sooner rather than later the country will see widespread disorder throughout our towns and cities.

It is inevitable after the events of the past week.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

Sooner rather than later the country will see widespread disorder throughout our towns and cities.

It is inevitable after the events of the past week.

I’ve been saying this for weeks. One way or another widespread violence is coming to this country. It will either come sooner, when law abiding people realise that it needs to be done to protect their way of life for themselves and their children, or later, if that doesn’t happen and eventually the forces of law and order get overwhelmed by those that have no respect for our laws.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Farage won't deport all the illegals. Like all politicians, he will water down his policies to fit the mainstream.

To be honest, I have no faith in any party. This country is going downhill at a rapid rate, yet no one has the stones to halt the slide.

Get out while you can.

Where I live there are 42 flats in the block, 40 flats are Brazilian occupied, one has an Argentinian and then there is a lovely English geezer, law abiding and very popular with the dog community here.

All is tickety boo here but for some strange reason Ossie Ardiles does not like the adorable English dude, I'm not sure why

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

All unscheduled boat arrivals across the channel are illegal immigrants (as are lorry stowaways and anyone else entering the UK without a visa or other lawful authority). And yet the majority of politicians are not calling for them all to be detained and deported. So while they are not stupid enough to say verbally that they want illegal immigrants here, by accepting that we do get thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants each year but not calling for their immediate deportation, they are effectively saying that they want illegal immigrants here.

And Farage doesn’t want a blanket ban on immigration and never has. I appreciate you haven’t said that he does in your post, but that is how he is incorrectly portrayed by many on the left.

100%

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

The Jews in 1930s Europe hadn't just arrived en masse, they had been there for generations. The pogrom against them would be analogous to a sudden pogrom here against the Huguenots who settled here centuries ago after persecution in France.

There is no conceivable comparison between them and chancers who are illegally breaking into this country, causing social and economic mayhem.

I make no apology for my feelings of utter contempt for these people and my wish that they be rounded up and deported as quickly as possible, being held in Spartan camps until they can be forced out or recognise that they might have better luck elsewhere.

Better still more sharp objects in the seas.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

I’ve been saying this for weeks. One way or another widespread violence is coming to this country. It will either come sooner, when law abiding people realise that it needs to be done to protect their way of life for themselves and their children, or later, if that doesn’t happen and eventually the forces of law and order get overwhelmed by those that have no respect for our laws.

Once plod take their uniform off they must think "f*** this for a game of soldiers".

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

Once plod take their uniform off they must think "f*** this for a game of soldiers".

Most coppers know even better than we do what is going on, but out of a sense of duty, decency, trying to do the right thing and the need to have a job, they have to take the sh*t that they are given by the actions of Government. And then when they get it wrong, they are scapegoated and thrown to the wolves by those very same politicians who have created the situation in the first place.

In the cities, in the streets,
There's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching,
Guns and riots,
The politicians gamble,
And lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public enema number one