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Mignolet is sh!t

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by jaffaSlot, Dec 15, 2015.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    its well below average. he's still slow to release it and his kicking is poor. if he hits a 20 yard radius zone he's lucky. and if he tires to kick fast he's woeful.

    its not really about reina though... compared to half the prem he is god awful. thats the issue.
     
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    I think his kicking has improved, but not enough yet, and he's still inconsistent. He does pick out the wings better these days, at first they went into the stands almost every time.
    The slow distribution is a funny one, on telly the camera always zooms in on him so you can't see the bigger picture laid out in front of him. He often dashes to the edge of his box looking as though he's about to release it then holds back. Is this because he hasn't the confidence to pick out options in front of him or that the options just aren't there?
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    when he kicks from the gorund and goal kicks.

    when he runs out the the end of the box then stops and holds it for a year. then kicks it ok but if he rushes out then kicks it he just can land it anywhere.

    also from back passes that need dispatch instantly he RARELY gets it within 20 yard of an LFC player. We need to have guys in the right areas and him hitting those areas to at least fight for the ball.

    I've seen him a lot, he can run out with it but i've seen load sof times he's got at least 2/3 options even short and just holds it... its not as BAD as under rodgers and honestly i'd not throw it out to lovern either but he'd got to let the thing go!

    I think its confidence a lot of the time in the CBs etc but in fairness its not his job to slow the game down. its their job to be able to take it in.

    As i said if he has to clear a back pass its almost random where it goes.
     
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  4. saintanton

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    A quick, accurate throw or kick to a runner and an incisive counter-attack is one of the most exhilarating aspects of the game and it's a shame we don't see more of it. I'm not a big fan of the slow, deliberate build-up through the CB's but if we can't do the former then the latter is the best we have. A lot of better teams than us play that way- they just do it better.
     
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  5. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Klopp apparently disagrees..he's pushing for a new contract to be offered despite 2 1/2 years left on existing.....
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i agree. it is perfect for klopps game but it does entail risk as its the first thing klopp himself would look to press hard on. it is a risk and under rodgers mingolet never ever took it.

    counter attacking sides really need their GK to get the ball going asap.
     
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  7. FedLadSonOfAnfield

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    He needs a nice slice of bakewell !1! :biggrin:
     
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  8. BobbyD

    BobbyD President

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    I know its been done to death but big mistake getting rid of Reina for this clown. Reina is by far superior at everything but shot stopping and even then, in the last few months reinas shot stopping was on par i would say (he had a big downturn but who wouldnt when you played under hodge podge).

    his handling was better, he had the respect of the team, he bled red, his distribution was top class.

    Anyway, surprised you guys are still keeping Mignolet especially if a Klopp counter attacking side.
     
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  9. Billy The Spur

    Billy The Spur Well-Known Member

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    He`s an average keeper, but the best Pool are likely to get at present.
     
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  10. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Why would that be?

    Our dosh is as good as the next club's, the secret is finding one that's good enough for the right price, unless you know something we don't.
     
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  11. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    Klopp seems to disagree with a lot of opinions on here about quite a few players :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  12. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    He said they'll all have a chance to prove to him they have a future at the club before he gets a chance to bring players in.
    He's hardly likely to publically slate a player he's lumbered with even if he isnt good enough, he's more about building up players confidence than destroying it.<whistle>
     
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  13. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    He gets a lot of stick... people say "yes he's a good shot stopper but all keeper should be". Totally agree... but some are better than other, just like some forwards are better in the air than others and some better with left foot than others.

    Mig's reactions are top notch, and tival anyone else in the league. I remember they did a similar piece when we brought him and they compared his shot save % from shots inside the box, where keepers have less time to adjust and his were top of the pile.

    Yes all keepers should save shots, but Mig is as good as any when it comes to that...

    He has his weakenesses, he doesn't command his area and he doesn't distribute well but 'd rather have a keeper with lightning reflexes that can't kick very well than the other way round.. or we might as well just put Gerrard in goal.

    His catching in the area is poor, we can all see that, but when he comes to punch he's actually pretty good and obviously feels far more comfortable doing it and when he kept that run of clean sheets last year, he seemed to go back to basics in that regard. Yes not ideal, but better than trying to catch and dropping, or being indecisive and not coming at all.

    All keepers make howlers from time to time, all keepers flap at crosses from time to time (De Gea v Bournemouth anyone?).

    He and the defence looked so much more solid last year when it was settled... again this year we've had to chop and change.. Skrtel & Lovren then Skrtel & Sakho now Skrtle & Lovren again... that constant changing doesn't help you build a relationship and trust. Skrtel probably doesn't trust Mig to come caim balls, but visa versa, Mig probably doesn't trust Skrtel & Lovren to clear then so is always in 2 minds as to whether to come or not.

    Can he be improved on? Absolutely... but then who can't in our team?
     
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  14. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm in the camp that applauds Klopp wanted to spend the rest of this season looking at the large expensive squad we already have. I think it is a good idea. Brod got accusations of favouritism because he went too quick, then he/committee overspent on a lot of this squad.

    That accusation won't be able to be levelled at Klopp either by press, players or us. Any player that gets shifted because they didn't improve enough in a non pressure season with everyone (opposition) under performing can just shut up...as can anyone that champions them.

    Thats not to say reality will not intrude in January if a player he really really values becomes available...you grab when you can.

    I think it is rare to get a keeper that can do everything...some are dominant in their area, some are excellent shot stoppers etc.

    If Klopp is ok with Mignolet then I trust he believes either and or that he will be good enough/ he is not the real problem in defence or we aren't getting what Klopp believes is better....like BR, Klopp will live or die by his choices.....
     
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  15. FedLadSonOfAnfield

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    Did anybody feed him a slice of bakewell yet !1! :biggrin:
     
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  16. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    Ming is without doubt a good shot stopper...in fact he's more than that, he's a fantastic shot stopper. He has the best reflexes I've seen in a long, long time at Anfield. His biggest problem is that he still has the same weaknesses he's had since day one. Distribution poor, bullied too easily, shaky under high balls and worst of all he's indecisive and that's the killer for me. He's been here long enough to have developed more and to be looking more confident in his own abilities.

    I'm not sure Klopp will replace him straight away but no manager can afford a keeper who makes a lot of blunders. Ming will need a long run now without mistakes, he'll need to show signs of improving the areas he's failed to improve if he wants a future here. Personally I hope he can but I have my doubts.....
     
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  17. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I always try to give anyone wearing the shirt some time (even Balo) but as much as Mingolet has improved you can see the underlying issues and I have to agree with the majority that we could do with replacing him. Ideally though there are other areas that need doing first.
     
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  18. Sharpe*

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    Said it for a while.

    Good shot stopper but poor distribution, poor from corners, poor decision making and iffy mentally.

    He's a Premier League level keeper but not top 10.

    Must be replaced.
     
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