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  1. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    Loyalty to the Club or manager , lets not forget who paid/pays his not insignificant wages
     
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  2. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Time and unforeseen occurrences befall us all, and Michu is certainly having a tough time this season at Napoli, so you never now it might have sobered him to the realisation that we are his best option to resurrect his career, If Monk can sort him out and talk some sense, and he responds, then I'm sure he can get back to his best if his ankle comes good as he seems to be stating.

    He should never have got involved in Laudrups sacking, but we shall see what happens, I still think he'll end up back in Spain.................<ok>
     
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  4. Lillywhite Lillith

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    I don't know why but I'm getting the vibe that things may be thawing out between Club and player. Forget last season. Who wouldn't want a fully fit and firing Michu in their team? Provided his head is right, he's fit and wants to be here I'd have him back tomorrow.
     
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  5. Stumpy

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    I seriously doubt Michu'd want to come back, his clique's has gone and Monks harmonious changing is packed with steady, workmanlike players; with flair of course, loyal to Monks cause. Also would Monk want to risk upsetting the changing room to make way for a temperamental maverick?

    Personally, although I appreciate his efforts of over two seasons ago, I wouldn't have him any where near us. He did play superbly well for a short time back in 2012, but I suggest that then he played for Laudrup and not our club. Also, we have to be ruthless and realise that he's crocked anyway so as far as I'm concerned its "see ya Michu, thanks for the memories, but that's all you are now, a memory"

    My prediction, he'll be in Qatar with his friends next year.
     
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  6. Stumpy

    Stumpy Well-Known Member

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    We've past the stage of 'seeing' if players can do a job for us. These days we are looking for players we KNOW can do a job for us. We're not in division one any more Dai
     
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  7. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Well it's funny that he wants to have a chat with monk about his future with the swans WHEN he reports for training next season..<laugh> He cant go anywhere without monks say so and he is happy to speak to michu.....
     
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  8. ProjectVRD

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    Siggy wasn't our player. He was employed by a German club. If you are questioning Siggy and his loyalty to his employer then and how we view that then you have picked the wrong situation to compare with Michu who is employed by the Swans, he is our player and had no desire at all to play for us.
     
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  9. Jager

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    I don't think he will play for us again, but I'm of the opinion that it would stupid not to give it a try as he is our player. Think he will come for the pre season and if it's a success stay if not then go.
     
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  10. Lillywhite Lillith

    Lillywhite Lillith Active Member

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    I agree with that jager.

    Couple of things: "temperamental maverick". Based on what? The fact he left on loan when the manager who signed him and virtually all his mates were shown the door? He may be temperamental but he only did what many players do when an opportunity comes up. Couple that 'push factor' with the 'pull factor' and he was bound to go. Napoli aren't exactly a small club and Benitez is an excellent manager. Many players would have gone if given the opportunity in those circumstances. If he hadn't been injured Napoli had an option to buy don't forget. Once in a lifetime for many players, that.

    "He played superbly well for a short time". Like virtually the whole season?

    "He's crocked anyway". How do you know that?

    Besides, even if I'm wrong about those points, and I might be, IF Michu has at least the potential to get back to his best we'd be daft to cut our nose off to spite our face, as jager says. If he's keen to reignite his career give him a go imo.
     
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  11. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    He'd have been a decent option off the bench today when Gomis departed!
     
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  12. Sbulby

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    There's only only one person who will decide whether Michu plays next season and that's Michu himself. Simple as.
     
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  13. Lillywhite Lillith

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    Not sure it's that simple but let's hope.

    Yes, Taff - watching Gomis limp off today got a few of us thinking the same thing in the crowd.
     
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  14. Taffvalerowdy

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    Same where we were sitting!
     
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  15. Bob the slob

    Bob the slob Well-Known Member

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    Would you make the same comment about a club captain who actively undermined not one but two managers he didn't like?
     
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  16. Bob the slob

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    Michu was pushed into playing striker - his introduction and most of his first season was as an attacking midfield player (false 10) so the comparisons should be with Siggy & Shelvey(? - I still can't work out what position Shelvey is supposed to be playing & nor it seems can he).
    In the second season when he was injured and supposedly unhappy at Swansea he scored 6 goals from 24 games: Siggy 7 from 28, i.e. same strike rate. (Jonjo just 3 from 24)
    At the start of the season Siggy was on fire but has been quite poor by that standard for quite a while.

    Michu available? Michu back.
     
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  17. Stumpy

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    C'mon Lillith, read what I Wright, not what you think I wright <ok>

    Temperamental - Michu described himself so, he's also described himself as a 'grey' individual which I take to mean moody which itself equates to temperamental..

    Maverick means an unorthodox or independent-minded person - I think this sums Michu up nicely.

    Your view that Michu played well for a whole season is debatable. He did play superbly well up to February 2013 but, along with the rest of the team, faded thereafter. That's August to February = 7 months

    Michu has been on our books for almost three years now = 36 months. Take away 8 months covering summer break 2013/2014 and 2014/2015 and we get 28 months.

    So 7/28 is one quarter Lillith, Michu has played superbly well for us for only 25% of his contract. My maths may be way off here but you get the gist.

    I assert that imo Michu is crocked. I say this because his 'injury' has kept him out of football, for almost two years. He was injured post Laudrup (how odd) and the injury lasted up until recently at Roma.

    So, effectively he's been sidelined for almost two seasons, with very little exposure to top class football and all the time with the same ankle injury. This suggests to me 'a crocked player' as being out for such a long time WILL have a detrimental effect on any players confidence and performance after such a debilitating injury.

    Michu may still have 'potential' you suggest Lillith and we should therefore SEE if he can get back to his former self. As I debated with Dai, Swansea City FC has moved past the stage of selecting or buying players simply to SEE if they can perform for us; we do that with youngsters and U21's, we don't have a hit and hope policy for our first team squad.

    We are an established premier league football club now and if we wish to remain so we need to have players in our squad who we KNOW can perform for us; the premiership is a cruel mistress.

    Factor in that Michu has only one year left on his contract, that he has been effectively injured for two years and that he hasn't played well since Feb 2013 then you have to ask the question, is an injury prone 30 year old worth a punt? If we were in lower divison then maybe, but as we are in the premiership, not a chance.

    I'd rather spend my efforts SEEING our youngsters develop and progress, e.g. Grimes, or buying someone we KNOW can perform in the first team squad.

    Like I said, thanks for the memories Michu, but that's all you are now, we don't have the time to invest in a player who will leave in a year regardless.

    Club first everything else second, then third, all the way down to Michu.
     
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  18. Bob the slob

    Bob the slob Well-Known Member

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    "Swansea City FC has moved past the stage of selecting or buying players simply to SEE if they can perform for us;'

    To a degree all transfers are speculative but risk can be lowered.

    That said, of our new signings for 2014 - 15 only FabiaƄski is an improvement on players who left. Cork might be but others have not stepped up or have been injured. On his day Montero is world class between the half way line and goal line but if he is easily sidelined and doesn't defend as the team needs is he an improvement? (Montero 24 appearances 1115 minutes for 5 assists and no goals - Pablo 28 appearances 1431 minutes for 7 assists and two goals.)
    Is Gomis better than Wilf? Naughton better than Rangel - in some people's eyes yes in others no, same for Chico & Fed and Siggy & de Guzman.
     
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  19. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    Bob, as I wrote in another thread, in my view

    Siggy as an attacking midfielder is an upgrade on the Michu of last season
    Ki is an upgrade on De Guzman, who was never our player
    Fabianski is an upgrade on the Vorm of the last two seasons
    Montero is as good as Pablo (and equally injury prone <laugh>)
    Cork is better than Canas
    Fernandez is better than Chico, certainly more "reliable"
    Grimes may turn out to be better than Poz, but too early to judge

    But Davies, for me, is better than Taylor

    So I'm not with you that only Fab is an improvement! <cheers> That said, it's just my personal opinion!
     
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  20. ValleyGraduate12

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    If a manager isn't taking responsibility for traing the team etc as has been suggested, coupled with a split dressing room and sliding down the form table as quick as QPR, then the club captain HAD every right to speak up. Monk showed his loyalty to the club.
     
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