Michael Collins

RobSpur said:
The whole of ireland was a "small enclave". In the debate in parliament prior to the creation of the free state, one respected mp pointed out that the western isles (the shetland islands) had more right to call itslef a country than ireland, and he was quite right. there was no "democratic majority". noone in the rest of the uk voted on irish independence. in the south of ireland 38% of the electorate voted for independence after 10 years of intimidation by sinn fein. in the north of ireland, 98% voted to stay part of the uk. you talk about a tiny majority, but in 1916 before michael collins' murder campaign which was designed to turn opinion against the british, there were 5 people in the whole country who were known to want an irish republic. 5 fackin people.
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Ah the mask slips. What a bitter little boy. A guerilla campaign cannot survive without the support (and imposing "support" through intimidation does not work) of the wider and majority population. Away from your delusions from god knows where you have derived them, a cool current fact is that circa 40% of the population of Britain support a united Ireland compared to 32% who would prefer NI remains part of the UK. It will happen, deal with it
 
RobSpur said:
or you could challenge any of the points ive made and we can discuss them rationally presenting evidence as appropriate ?
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We could, but you have made literally dozens of errors. If I made just one point, you would think that was it and it took precedence over any of the other errors.

Perhaps you could do your own research and make your own corrections. I suggest you start right from the very start and examine who the first settlers in Ireland were.

I'm off to bed now, but I'll be sure to check in on you tomorrow and perhaps I can help you with your next misplaced assertion.
 
Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction said:
Ah the mask slips. What a bitter little boy. A guerilla campaign cannot survive without the support (and imposing "support" through intimidation does not work) of the wider and majority population. Away from your delusions from god knows where you have derived them, a cool current fact is that circa 40% of the population of Britain support a united Ireland compared to 32% who would prefer NI remains part of the UK. It will happen, deal with it
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deal with it ? weve been trying to get rid of northern ireland for 40 years or more.

if you read back this thread, you will find out some facts about what you call the guerilla campaign and what was known at the time as the murder campaign.

ive posted a video on this thread which shows :

-footage of the streets of dublin being packed with vast crowds cheering the visit of queen victoria
-footage of vast crowds in dublin giving a delerious welcome to british war heroes
-interviews with irish people who witnessed the derision the people of dublin showed to the 1916 rebels
-interviews with irish people who give witness to the overwhelming support in the 1910s in ireland for the british

the murder campaign did not have popular support, it survived through intimidation and violence.
 
RebelBhoy said:
We could, but you have made literally dozens of errors. If I made just one point, you would think that was it and it took precedence over any of the other errors.

Perhaps you could do your own research and make your own corrections. I suggest you start right from the very start and examine who the first settlers in Ireland were.

I'm off to bed now, but I'll be sure to check in on you tomorrow and perhaps I can help you with your next misplaced assertion.
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the first settlers in ireland were from scotland. then came several waves of invaders, amongst the last of whom were the celts. they were later invaded by the vikings, and then the english arrived on order of the pope to try to bring some civilisation to a land of warring pagan tribes.
 
Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction said:
Ah the mask slips. What a bitter little boy. A guerilla campaign cannot survive without the support (and imposing "support" through intimidation does not work) of the wider and majority population. Away from your delusions from god knows where you have derived them, a cool current fact is that circa 40% of the population of Britain support a united Ireland compared to 32% who would prefer NI remains part of the UK. It will happen, deal with it
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Did you know yer man from the Da Vinci Code, he's in the 'RA?
 
RobSpur said:
the first settlers in ireland were from scotland. then came several waves of invaders, amongst the last of whom were the celts. they were later invaded by the vikings, and then the english arrived on order of the pope to try to bring some civilisation to a land of warring pagan tribes.
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**** sake, I better go to bed or I am going to start taking you seriously.

Where Scots come from... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotia
 
Chalky White said:
91 years ago today one of Ireland's greatest sons was murdered in an ambush at Beal na blath in his own home county of Cork.

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"When you have sweated, toiled, had mad dreams, hopeless nightmares, you find yourself in London's streets, cold and dank in the night air. Think - what have I got for Ireland? Something which she has wanted these past 700 years. Will anyone be satisfied with the bargain? Will anyone? I tell you this -early this morning I signed my own death warrant. I though at the time how odd, how ridiculous -a bullet might just as well have done the job 5 years ago." - Michael Collins in a letter to John O'Kane after the Treaty.


"Yerra, they'll never shoot me in my own county" - Michael Collins to Joe O'Reilly just prior to his journey to West Cork in August 1922
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**** him, he was too scared to even set foot on the moon, he preferred to drive the wee module round the ****.
 
MalteseMick said:
**** sake, I better go to bed or I am going to start taking you seriously.

Where Scots come from... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotia
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im not sure what bearing your link has on the discussion. are you suggesting that the first inhabitants of ireland were during the period of roman britain ?

here;s a quote from page 23 of robert kee's "ireland a history" :

"...on a clear day you can see, only 13 miles away, the coast of britain. and the very first inhabitants of ireland arrived across that channel perhaps some 8,000 years ago...the first substantial traces of independent irish life are to be found in the valley of the river boyne...they were built about 3,000 bc by the new stone age successors of those first inhabitants to come across the straights from britain"
 
RobSpur said:
im not sure what bearing your link has on the discussion. are you suggesting that the first inhabitants of ireland were during the period of roman britain ?

here;s a quote from page 23 of robert kee's "ireland a history" :

"...on a clear day you can see, only 13 miles away, the coast of britain. and the very first inhabitants of ireland arrived across that channel perhaps some 8,000 years ago...the first substantial traces of independent irish life are to be found in the valley of the river boyne...they were built about 3,000 bc by the new stone age successors of those first inhabitants to come across the straights from britain"
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What to **** does Robert Kee know - I know for a fact that the first inhabitants of Ireland jumped on a boat from central Africa, bypassed all the countries we don't like, and landed straight in Ireland - before evolving into sexy ginger warriors.
 
MalteseMick said:
What to **** does Robert Kee know - I know for a fact that the first inhabitants of Ireland jumped on a boat from central Africa, bypassed all the countries we don't like, and landed straight in Ireland - before evolving into sexy ginger warriors.
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he's a respected historian regarded as the authority on irish history (and also known to be a republican sympathiser).

geneology also proves that the irish, the english and the scottish are all essentially one and the same (save for england being invaded by the normans and saxons and ireland being invaded by the vikings).
 
Chalky White said:
Haha


finally so now youve accepted you erred we are getting somewhere ... you are the one who said there was no ira in 1922 and now you admit you meant 21
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no, that's not true at all. a claim was made by another poster that the 26 (or whatever it is) counties were free thanks to the ira. i pointed out that that could not be true becuase the ira didnt exist (the treaty being signed in 1921). at no point did i say the ira did not exist in 1922.
 
RobSpur said:
the first settlers in ireland were from scotland. then came several waves of invaders, amongst the last of whom were the celts. they were later invaded by the vikings, and then the english arrived on order of the pope to try to bring some civilisation to a land of warring pagan tribes.
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Ireland : A History was an excellent book, no question of that but perhaps you may wish to visit more recent scholarly works.

Perhaps you should try and look at the works of Progessor David McConnell formerly of Trinity College, Dublin. And Professor Dan Bradley. They have undertaken some fascinating work that will help fill in your knowledge gap.

Then perhaps we can move on and fill in a bit of the next 9000 years where your understanding appears to be a little hazy.
 
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