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MERCEDES TRIBUNAL, VERDICT! What do you think will happen?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by 51LV3R8RR04, Jun 19, 2013.

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What will be the verdict?

Poll closed Jun 21, 2013.
  1. Nothing will happen to them

    18.5%
  2. Fine 1.00-10 million

    22.2%
  3. Major fine 11+ million

    25.9%
  4. Brawn gets excluded

    11.1%
  5. Points taken away

    3.7%
  6. Race ban for a period of time

    22.2%
  7. Kicked out of the sport

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Excluded from the WCC

    18.5%
  9. Excluded from WDC

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Drivers get season ban, new drivers thus to be needed

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. Places and Points taken away from Monaco only

    3.7%
  12. Pirelli get the punishment instead

    7.4%
  13. Something involving Schumacher

    7.4%
  14. All of the above!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. I don't care *You lazy person....*

    3.7%
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  1. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member
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    They are the three directors of the GPDA, so that's why them, but it's very weird if they apparently found out before it happened and said nothing until Monaco.
     
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  2. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    The tribunal have their suspicions that the letter cannot be accepted as official evidence as it's not a legal document.........

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  3. Julius Caesar

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    They are the three directors of the GPDA, so that's why them, but it's very weird if they apparently found out before it happened and said nothing until Monaco.
     
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  4. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    The tribunal have their suspicions that the letter cannot be accepted as official evidence as it's not a legal document.........

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  5. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    The tribunal have their suspicions that the letter cannot be accepted as official evidence as it's not a legal document.........

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  6. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    They're part of the GPDA.
     
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  7. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    They're part of the GPDA
     
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  8. cosicave

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    Hmm… interesting developments.

    Lots of mud; almost inevitable when the proper lines of communication are not followed. Charlie Whiting's apparent involvement would not seem to add to the integrity of the FIA's own, internal communications. I immediately suspected when the story broke, that this might to provide ground for convenient (if ultimately flimsy) arguments for the proceedings at Barcelona later that week.

    Anonymous helmets was a very silly thing to do. Pirelli look downright naïve. Horner's poisonous involvement makes him look like a spider hiding in the shadows. And Vettel's words seem to directly contradict what he'd previously claimed about learning of the test in the first place!

    On top of all this, I think Mercedes have raised an interesting point about the weakness of the definition "…using cars which conform substantially with the current Formula 1 technical regulations…" in an attempt (perhaps even a reasonable one) to fling mud back at the teams which the FIA's favour most (financially)!

    Very, very mucky.

    And then we hear of deals being offered (by the FIA) and refused by the main defendant.

    Hmm…
    Very, very mucky; and not at all good for the image of the sport.
     
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  9. TomTom94

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    I think you've summed it all up. I think this shows precisely why we need a definitive Concorde Agreement and set of technical regs again; preferably one lasting at least until the end of the decade if not longer. All this politics just drags the sport through the mud.

    It speaks volumes that the teams who most wanted Pirelli to change the tyres are the ones dragging it through the mud as soon as they've tried to get a team to help with testing it.

    Pirelli will and should quit F1. We need a tyre supplier with a hell of a lot more clout, definitely one whom the FIA control. Bring back a tyre war? Why not, then we can have complaints about how one of the sets of tyres works unfairly better at certain tracks than others.
     
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  10. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    Why offer Mercedes a deal? Unless they think they have a weak case against them and don't want to damage their reputation by losing...
     
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  11. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    I see 3 legal documents all claiming the writer farts all the time???
     
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  12. allsaintchris.

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    Not true. Whoever smelt it dealt it.
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    This is ridiculous now...

    BTW... Don't believe Pirelli should walk, but wouldn't blame 'em. This is nothing but a calamity. Yet again the sport looks totally ridiculous in front of the world. So much less politics in other motor sport. May just stick with Indy for my open-wheel fix.
     
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  14. ched999uk

    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    What's the betting the 'letter' that Vettle, Button etc. signed just stated something like 'there should be a test to ensure tyre safety'. With no mention of when, where, or who would be involved?
    I thought that Charlie has been consulted on aspects of the cars and if they conform to the FIA rules. His advice has been sought at races, at pre season tests and even at the design stages of cars!!!

    It doesn't really sound like there are many legal arguments being put forward. Like Charlie has previously given permission fox X and Y etc. Pirelli have a contract that does not state the test has to be approved by FIA etc.
    The commentary I have read seems very school playgroundish...

    I think that it's all a big mess that the FIA wanted to go away with a quiet deal.

    My guess is £100 mill fine and Ross falls on sword. Then Ross comes back and helps Williams to regain their former glory :)
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

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    Now I really would like to see Williams back at the top. :)
     
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  16. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    If Vettel and co did sign the contract without knowing the full details then that's their fault.
     
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  17. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    I reckon it's along those lines too. The GPDA backing a test to improve tyre safety, not giving Mercedes permission to run for three days at Barcelona completely unsupervised with their race drivers.
     
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  18. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    To be honest my view has changed a little. I thought Mercedes had more of a case but it turns out they have a 3 of diamonds and a 9 of clubs. Were they really relying on a letter signed by the GPDA to clear the test? Do the GPDA actually have that power?
     
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  19. ched999uk

    ched999uk Well-Known Member

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    Well the decision is to be announced on Friday!!!!!!!
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Really does seem like Merc are propper screwed... Pretty sure it will be Brawn in the firing line.

    As for Lauda... I thought he was the gaffer, how can he put all the blame on Brawn? He could have pulled rank anytime. It's utter bullshine.

    As for Horner... what a **** stirrer. The lot of em are a bunch of clowns.
     
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