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Matchday: City v Luton Town

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Supcon72, Dec 29, 2020.

  1. Red Alert

    Red Alert Well-Known Member

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    Walsh might have supported that but was hidden under the stairs. Diony and Kent!! Binned Magnuson and put Bryan at left back when Bryan was tearing it up at LM . Put in Diedhiou who couldnt do the pressing shift. didnt rest or rotate Brownhill Pack and Smith. LJ Wrecked it.
     
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  2. Cliftonville

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    Ok.

    I think that totally changing how a team plays and then going from a automatic promotion/play off place to finish eleventh, can be viewed as unsuccessful.
     
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  3. Jiffie

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    As I said blame much of that on 2 previous managers, one who pretty much broke SL's heart for leaving him no option other letting him go and another who believed that after a record breaking season that he was the owner of the club and those 2 parts of our history led to Ashton wielding the amount power that he does at the club in all aspects.

    That has led to a dysfunctional transfer policy and more senior players refusing/stalling on signing new contracts.

    In a way I admire Holden he has played a blinder, he managed to turn a selection process that was going to appoint a manager to take us to the next level, a name if you will and only interviewing Holden as a courtesy and he walked in with 2 renowned coaches in his back pocket, Ashton gets an immediate erection and realises that he can employ Holden (a man they know will tow the line and they can manipulate) and 2 new coaches (who are now seen to be struggling in their turd polishing) for the same money as a 'name'.

    And the January master plan so far is to recall 2 players from Grimsby who were struggling to get into a struggling 4th tier team.

    I would say our biggest question should be, all clubs get injuries but over the past 3 years ours have not only in very high numbers but incredibly serious and lengthy injuries, I haven't checked this but if my memory is correct the vast majority seem to occur on home soil either AG or Failand.
     
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  4. invermeremike

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    I too have often wondered why we are encountering all these injuries and it hasn't stopped for many seasons which begs the question as to why. Are our training methods too harsh or are the players just not fit enough because the injury crisis seems to bite us in the ass every single season? As far as the hiring situation I have said and suspected that we have never do wells lurking in the back alleys who throw a spanner in to things, and if it's all about control then there lies the problem. You would think that whoever has the last laugh on which new manager we hire they would want to hire the absolute best so the actual leader has no option to say anything other than well done. Spin your wheels for as many seasons as you want but, sooner rather than later, the wheels may just fall off and nobody wants that to happen.
     
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  5. Jiffie

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    Holden was hired purely for financial and ease of transition reasons, if they really thought he was 'the one' they would not have given him only a years rolling contract.
     
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  6. realred1952

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    read an interesting article on health and exercise [ thought with current conditions was not getting enough of either] It stated that diet and exercise are intertwined [ seems obvious] but the correct amounts of and types of very important. In my case I identified a couple of areas where I maybe lacking foodwise exercise wise. Should you not get it right [both ] it can result in strains and stress to muscle tissue. City have "all the experts" in these departments so should be no excuses? I identified at least 3 things I need to address, and I thought I was pretty close to being spot on ….
     
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  7. Jiffie

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    You are correct about BCFC having every expert needed for good health.

    I have always wondered whether excess muscle mass could be the problem, I read an article several years ago that claimed that supplements especially of the injectable type can leave tendons vulnerable to injury.
     
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  8. Cliftonville

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    I out of interest checked the results. With the return of Diedhiou and Mr Johnson altering the shape of the team, its high tempo, short passing, high pressing 4-4-1-1/ 4-4-2-0 formation.

    Four games out of nineteen were won.
     
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  9. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    I’ve said before that for ME it’s the final league position that counts. Every season an improvement (albeit small).
    That’s why I view LJs tenure in a positive light.
    Clearly others disagree - including SL - which is why LJ was sacked. Fair enough - like I said it’s opinions.
    People could point to games won/lost within a selected timeframe. I’d point to final league position as the best judge of a team. The league table doesn’t lie - but some people think it doesn’t tell the whole truth.......
     
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  10. Jiffie

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    In the end I fear it was the turgid standard of football that did for him more than league position, 2 years and counting the football has been appalling.
     
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  11. Cliftonville

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    The final league position was lower. Mr Johnson abandoned a clear playing approach to finish lower. That is not an opinion. Its a fact.
     
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  12. bcfcredandwhite

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    I can’t disagree with this. Our football was dire but we were grinding out just enough wins to keep our league position healthy.
    I also agreed with his sacking when it happened - he’d run out of ideas and looked lost. However, I would have expected SL to have selected an experienced replacement already to take over - or should I say ‘hoped’ rather than ‘expected’. Any advantage gained by NOT leaving the sacking until the end of the season was pissed up against the wall by the time lost by the recruitment process.
    Amateurish in the extreme.
     
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  13. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Here are the facts (which anyone can get off Google):

    Final league positions:
    2015/16 18th
    2016/17 17th
    2017/18 11th
    2018/19 8th
    2019/20 12th when LJ was sacked

    I suppose you could argue that his final season was regression but he was sacked before seeing it out.
    You could also argue that we start each season joint top, so anything less than champions is a failure. However equally you could argue that we start each season joint bottom, so anything other than whipping boys is an achievement.
    Lies, damned lies and statistics........ you could select any one of ‘streaky’ Johnson’s streaks and throw them as proof he was either brilliant or crap - you just make the start and end date of your stat cover the period you want to portray as proof.
     
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  14. RedorDead

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>

    Get ready for some other stuff on how LJ hurt the neighbours friends girlfriends mother in laws friends cat
     
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  15. bcfcredandwhite

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    He might well have done - but he finished every season in a higher position than the previous season ended - apart from when he was sacked.
    It doesn’t matter if one loved him, hated him or anything - it’s just what happened and I don’t understand how anyone can refute these facts.
     
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    What position was we in when he was sacked? Got a feeling it was 8th then wasn’t it?
     
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  18. Jiffie

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    The football from January 2018 until his sacking was in the main shocking, that is why he was sacked.

    From January 2018 to the end of the season we played 21 league games, we won just 4, lost 9.
    We scored 26 goals, however 14 of those goals came in games we failed to win, 9 games we failed to score at all.

    The season after we finished 8th we scored 59 goals only 7 teams scored less and 3 of those were relegated.

    In his last season we scored 52 goals in 41 games in was in charge for and finished 12th.

    Apart from probably 2 people on here, everybody accepts the positives of his tenure at the club, I certainly do, but roughly the same amount of people seem to be claiming that there are hordes of fans who haven't got a good word to say about him and I don't see that. Apart from not progressing in his last season, the product sucked.

    What has gone on since his sacking is down to the owners and Ashton, not the fans, the only glimmer of hope for me out the latest BCFC mess is probably the forlorn hope that the 1 year roll over contract Holden signed is keeping the seat warm for Eddie Howe.
     
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  19. oneforthebristolcity

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    You're not allowed to use facts on here....................how dare you!! <laugh><laugh>
     
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  20. Jiffie

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    Here's another fact the football was mainly ****e for more than 2 years.

    You are basically arguing with 2 people who didn't like him and won't accept the positives that he left us with.
     
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