What Man city and Swansea managers have in common is they reacted to ten men the way they wanted with subs , the difference is , amongst "hindsighters " is city scored . We played well , before and after the red card , focus on that gents .we are seriously fighting for 2nd place the next 4 games ..
I'm not a "hindsighter" roof. This is what I thought at the time...and if you check back I have advocated 3 at the back as a plan 'b' on multiple occasions on here previously. Actually they don't have a "reaction" in common, as Monk didn't react....yes, the difference was that Pellegrini's adjusted side rescued a point...whereas Monk's non adjusted side sat deep, surrendered possession and lost without having another shot on target.
I don't understand your problem with "hindsighters". This is and cannot be a real time forum. How else can we debate except in "hindsight".
With all due respect, Pellegrini has better players at his disposal and a bucket load of experience behind him. Monk has decent players and hardly any experience, but we knew that. He'll learn from this because I definitely agree that he got it wrong but whether that would have had an effect on the result is conjecture. It may have done, it may not have. I just think that Gomis up front, with his ability to hold the ball up and turn a man would have given them something to worry about and would have given them pause for thought in pressing forward so much. Switching out Shelvey for Carroll may have had the same effect. What we can say with a degree of certainty is that Bony getting hemself sent off did have an effect on the result because Saints didn't look that great and were there for the taking.
And to echo Terror, check the match thread, at the time I was commenting on the lack of use of the third sub and the fact that Gomis was sitting on the bench unused and the fact that Shelvey was having zero impact whatsoever.
So what. Chelsea are a much tougher opponent than Soton. Monk isn't being paid to learn and damn the result, he's being paid (like every other manager) to perform and deliver. He blasted two of our previous managers for their approach to the job he is now occupying .... since he didn't shut the **** up then, he has to put up now (to cripple a phrase). I don't have much sympathy. It doesn't matter my experience or expertise or lack thereof ... in the real world, if I'm being paid at the going rate to do a job, I am expected to deliver, if I don't my fault, my problem. I get no sympathy or consideration for "hardly any experience". And, after Bony was sent off, Monk had three world-cup players (Ki, Fernandez, Montero) at his disposal and 9 full internationals (Williams, Taylor, Fab, Fernandez, Ki, Shelvey, Sig, Gomis, Jazz .... am I missing anybody). A tad more than decent and distinctly richer complement of players in terms of credentials and experience than Soton.
Some match statistics Crosses = 30 - 11 to Southampton Clearances = 42 - 13 to Southampton In that second half we managed 1 corner and 0 shots on goal. Yet we were only missing a striker. Why couldn't we retain the ball to relieve some of the pressure? Why did Monk and his coaches do nothing about this situation?
I totally agree that it is conjecture. He could have changed the whole team around to a number of formations and subbed on anyone for anyone and still lost. We'll never know if we could have got a point from that game doing something different. I'm not saying that I would have done better. I'm just saying that I don't understand and disagree with Monk's actions. In my opinion we should have adjusted...I would never expect any manager to always make the same subs and adjustments that I would as we all think differently...I just don't understand how he could not see that staying as we were was not working in that second half. I don't understand how he could not see as you and I (and others) could that Siggy might as well have not been on the pitch (for all of his undoubted effort) and bring on someone else to lead the line. I would have sacrificed the wingers, he could have sacrificed Siggy or a defender if he so wished....but he should have at least recognised the problem. They were camped in our half and laying siege to our box....for me Rangel, Fernandez, Ash and Ki were doing ever so well but something was very likely to give. I will praise Monk when he makes a sub or tactical switch that works but for my money he deserves some criticism for doing nothing on Saturday.
I do not like the way we sit deep as if to batten down the hatch when going down one player, if the player being sent off is a fullback, then the usual switch is to bring on another fullback replacement for a forward player, the fact that Bony got sent off was simply to put some extra pressure on other front line players, if your going to bring on another striker then you can only take off a winger and use your left or right back as wing backs, someone on the pitch has to double up the workload some what, if I had to make the decision then, I would have taken off Routledge for Emnes or Gomis, or we could have played an offensive game without the striker anyway, we did that under Sousa all season!...............
amateurs amateurs always have plenty to say and think they know better than the professionals who are there doing the job
Your amateur status never stopped you from lambasting Jinx as you called him, or Sousa, or Laudrup or whoever you feel you have the ****s for at the moment.
"if the player being sent off is a full back..." As evidenced when Taylor was sent off in first minute against Forest in the play offs. The much maligned Brendan Rodgers played a blinder,took Dobbie off,sent on a defender,and game ended 0-0. The rest is history,which some still try to airbrush out.
Presumably calling someone "a baffoon" isn't either. If you are going to insult someone,at least spell it correctly.That way you look less of "a baffoon".
Yes indeed that was a classic, we protected our game away and won at home in the second leg, Rodgers played the sub correctly, though all this is way over Dai's intellectual capacity!.............
No - but continually hitting yourself on the head doesn't help. There are people in white coats to help with that.
