Simon Jordan states Gary Linker uses being freelance to avoid paying taxes, hence he is embroiled in negotiations (?) with HMRC yearly. Yes its difficult. My workplace has a code of conduct regarding social media use. I can say anything I want unless it brings the organisation into disrepute. My behaviour outside of the organisation can be considered. If I was to say what Mr Lineker did outside of work, and was identified as an employee it reflects badly on the organisation and its values and principles.
In relation to not having Linekers contract to hand, you are making statements saying he’s broken his contract, without actually seeing it. I merely pointed out if he’d broken it , like you said he had, they would say he had, which they haven’t, the BBC would have grounds to get rid of him. They also wouldn’t put out a statement saying they are hoping to put something in place to cover his use of social media it it was already in place. You don’t need to physically see the contract, just read the detail of the statements being made. As regard my q about the governance of the BBC , there’s no debate in terms of the makeup of the Senior figures, it’s a matter of record. Does it bother you?, and doesn’t it at the very least suggest they are neither impartial, nor non political, which in the long term is much more damaging than a twitter quote by Mr Lineker.?
Freelance to HMRC is self employed. There is a web to negotiate when various types /classes of " work " are involved for 3 years as I built up my courier business I worked a night shift PAYE ..mostly did my own accounts it was a nightmare .. every 3 years initially got a accountant. He is likely sending some of his earnings via low tax / other routes rather than all HMRC! Is his own company so to speak!
My workplace has a code of conduct too, it’s still a grey area though. In this country we also have freedom of speech. Your business cannot prevent your freedom of speech to disagree with any political party, they cannot be seen as taking sides politically. What they can stop you doing is saying something illegal “inciting violence etc, or running down them as a business
I understand the point you are trying to make, but you are wrong. Freelance contracts are different to working for an employer, it’s nothing to do with tax,(although that is different too) as a freelance you don’t have the same rights as an employee, but the t&c’s of your contract varies also.
People watched it for the novelty value , long term I imagine figures will drop drastically, I’m sure that’s the BBC ‘s belief anyway
HMRC consider Gary Lineker to be an employee of the BBC because he has been working for the BBC for a significant period (?), hence they want the tax returns of what they consider Gary Lineker to be. I hold my hands up here. I think my understanding is correct. I could be wrong. I have used words like could and can. These are not assertions. I cant be a prejudiced arse on twitter. My organisation could cease to employ me for a variety of obvious reasons. If I am identified as a employee conflicting with the values and principles of the organisation they could terminate my employment. I can then continue to be an arse on twitter, if I used it. Its not grey. I would expect be meeting HR if I displayed Gary Lineker's levels of stupidity and ignorance.
Do you really believe you’d be up in front of HR for disagreeing with the Government of the day. If my company tried that with me it would be an interesting conversation,
Mr Lineker compared Suella Bravemans a person of a colour with a Jewish husband words to that of the Nazis. So yes if I did that I would expect to be in front of HR as a mere minion to be explaining my behaviour. Gary Lineker is a star of the BBC.
Really, where?. I may be wrong as I don’t do twitter so may have missed it. If he did then fair enough. All I’ve read is him stating we take fewer than other countries (that’s factual) , and comparing the language used to the 30’s germany. I haven’t seen him mention the Nazis, which would obviously take it to another level. Gary Lineker Is a presenter on Match of the day. Of much more relevance is the impartiality non political nature of the Governance of the BBC, I really don’t see any comparison in terms of integrity of the BBC. This I find very strange, you hold more importance to a tweet a sports presenter made than to the make up of the Senior management team of the BBC all being aligned to a particular political party. Any fair minded person would surely have concerns in that regard.
On top of the hundreds of millions we’ve already given them And I don’t expect anything to change Turn the boats around when they reach British waters and the French can keep the money and the illegals
You earlier quoted Greg Dyke. Greg Dyke was Senior management at the BBC. He was a Labour donator. Gavyn Davies ditto and a personal friend of Labour's Gordon Brown. Would we find fair minded concern regarding these political appointments in your post history? As a Labour voter I didn't comment, what is important is the ability of those to do the job. The Nazis controlled 1930's Germany. Which evokes what? A comparison to the Nazis. Comparing language. Where is the equivalent? The Nazis were calling Jews ‘parasites’, ‘vermin’, ‘scum’, ‘disease’. They said they needed to be ‘cleansed’, expunged’, ‘liquidated’. Please point me towards equivalent language used by the Tories. The Nazis followed their actions with genocide. You will need some twisted form of sophistry to argue that the Tories language is on par with the Nazis.
It’s all about the lefties Angela Rayner called Tories scum - gets away with it Miriam Morgoyles said she hoped Boris Johnson died when he had Covid - got away with it jo Brand called on acid to be thrown at Nigel Farage - got away with it Lineker calls Tories Nazis and will presumably get away with it too Jeremy Clarkson joked that excrement should be thrown at Markle and loses his job can you see a pattern here ?
THE big difference is if you choose to work for an organization that states and is subject to conditions that are put on it or else it would not be in existence then you have to abide by those guidelines. Your place of work [ transport? /and PAYE ?] IS VASTLY DIFFERENT to the BEEB and its staff of presenters. CONFUSION here .. you understand the points made ... but! they are wrong! Freelance contracts are different to working for an employer, YEP spot on [ also same as Self employed in same category ] Nothing to do with tax Has a lot to do with tax, and if you include NI a lot to do with it! as a freelance you don’t have the same rights as an employee, YEP spot on to a point!!! but you then add t&c’s of your contract varies also. .. so you then are in the same/ similar enviroment as an employed person for a number of aspects. Could go into it but wont, because your style will be to be contradictory [ as you have brushed into these last couple of post's ] and it will be the grand circle all over again
We’re going around it n circles, you keep implying he’s broken the guidelines, but he is ( we all are) expected to act within his contract, freelance contracts are different to employee contracts ( we’ve agreed on that point) There is no suggestion by the BBC that he hasn’t kept to his contract, what they say is they want to change his contract to incorporate an agreement around his use of social media, they also want him to apologise, he refuses to apologise, as he sees nothing to apologise for and is happy with the contract he has and doesn’t want to change it. That in essence is where we are now. edit What the BBC says is that as well as his contract , there is a clause which states all employees have to act in a certain way, high profile individuals have to act differently, but it is a grey area. Watch Laura Kunesburg on Sunday. it’s very informative. It explains it better than I can on here. But It’s not as clear cut as you seem to think it is.
I am probably missing the finer points on this thread due to my distance from the source but I agree that this illegal migration has to be fixed. The human rights issue is fairly criticized and I respect the right for people to speak their piece freely and openly, such as Garry Lineker in this case. However didn't he take serious money from Qatar to play a part in the infamous World Cup without highlighting their appalling record on the same issue? It seems that money can soon change people's stripe at the drop of a shekel and I lost some respect for the footballers involved in the last World Cup, including I believe Lineker. If indeed he broke the terms of his contract then he deserves to be sanctioned for that breach despite me loving his involvement in Match of the Day. Double standard old world isn't it when cash is involved?
I said that not as clear as .. and you are just repeating stuff ... He is in talks with BBC bosses to rectify the situation ... hopefully he will get a job with QATAR tv .lol
