I would disagree and will continue to argue that religion is the cause. Leo certainly makes a valid point that the 1% would still commit these crimes - the difference being that they would not have 'acceptable' religion to hide behind and all the misguided apologetics that comes with that territory. Their psychopathic actions would be laid bare for what they are. And others who would corrupt impressionable minds (Abu Hamza, Ken Ham, Brother Nathaniel, Qatada, Choudhury etc.) would have nothing to back up their misogynistic claims and filthy lies... they'd be exposed for making it up themselves rather than several thousand years of fairytales to fall back on that even reasonably educated people, who should know better, fall back on because they cannot accept their apparent insignificance if they just "are".
If it wasn't religion it would be colour, race , language or whatever.... that has always been the case People's minds are poisoned I am afraid.... very sad.... The big challenge to humanity ..... there is enough to go round so share it and stand up to those who seek to win by violence and greed.
The problem is Fez that it is always easier to count the numbers of people who have killed in the name of their religion - but you will never know how many have refrained from killing for the same reason (probably the far greater number - but we will never know). I have met many so called spiritual people in my life and I can say that most of them are open minded people who are always on a search for further knowledge. The arrogance of some atheists (Dawkins etc.) is that they are not searching because they think that they have found. A true believer believes that God created a World of variety - many religions, cultures, languages, why - because if he exists then he loves variety - and, therefore, so must every real believer. This last may sound idealistic but it is in the Koran (and only in that book).
I dont know what to say to that. My previous post is terrible things happening by the muslim terrorists Boko Haram in Nigeria and you blame me for posting it. These terrorists around the whole of the world all have one thing in common. They are all of muslim faith.
Afraid you are are 100% wrong there mate. These people are obsessed with their religion and they do believe they will be a martyr by being a terrorist.
Nothing to do with feelings of oppression, discrimination and general hopelessness then? Or, indeed, being complete nutters who use any excuse to be bloody evil?
Maybe before stating that all terrorists in the World happen to be Moslems you would like to remember terrorism committed by the state - maybe the 2,000 + people killed by US drone strikes in Pakistan, the Yemen and Somalia - including the targetting of schools (and we have the nerve to call them cowards). Maybe you would like to remember the carnage on the West Bank and the West's support for Israeli state terrorism before casting a finger only at the Islamic World.
Right - any posting on this thread from now on which is racist or specifically Islamaphobic (rather than dismissive of all religions) is getting an official warning. This is an excellent thread with some great conflicting views being expressed but there are rules on this board and they must be respected.
Not so much your point of view, more on which definition of the word you use. Whilst it's fair to say that language continually evolves and words gain new meanings, it's not fair to say that words lose their old meanings. The original meaning of terror & terrorism in English referred to the government's policies on governance of its own and other peoples - the systematic use of terror as a policy first raised its ugly head against the Irish in 1798. It could equally refer to the way the current administration treat the poor, sick, disabled and unemployed in our society, and it can certainly apply to the actions of the US and Israel. To put it simply, terrorism isn't the preserve of the religious fanatic, whatever faith he/she may follow.
Tonight I have been reading some thoughts from people who know that nothing can change what has happened, but are looking to the future. "There is a battle to fight over many years to care for children, especially boys living in an intellectual poverty," is one statement that struck me. It is also clear that with an international terror problem, it needs countries to draw closer together to fight it with intelligence sharing. It is no good trying to withdraw from the bad things happening and hoping that no one notices you are there. Finally it seems that public opinion has given the government a boost over it's handling of the crisis, while giving the FN the thumbs down for it's statements trying to make capital from the situation.
Did everyone hear this story. It is no surprise that some people grow up as they do out there. http://aje.io/8fhb
I can honestly say that I lost my faith when I read the bible properly. Then I read the koran and that was worse. Shorter book but every bit as violent. More so. Dawkins is abrasive but he calls it like it is. Those beholden to religion are afraid so far as I'm concerned. They are afraid either of punishment by their god, or of being reincarnated to a lower caste, or just afraid that there is no "reason" in their life. I am a fully autonomous homo sapiens, wise ape, totally responsible for my own actions and how they affect those around me. My responsibilities are to my fellow man in this life and to leave a positive legacy for future generations. It is a short life and the only one I have and I'm comfortable with that notion. I try to do the right thing because it's the right thing to do not because of some fancy promise of a wonderful ever after singing holy hosanahs or getting my way with numerous celestial virgins or the threat of burning in hellfire for the rest of eternity. That is obviously far too much responsibility for far too many people.
BBH- I like transparency so will make it public that you have been given a warning. Every other poster who has declared a dislike of religion has made clear it covers all faiths. in my opinion you are peddling an agenda against all Muslims and it is not welcome on here. You had a lot of support on here when you were banned but also a fair few wanted it upheld. Please persist with this now - we did you a favour and it is time for you to repay it.
I have only tried to produce facts. I have not made up any stories against them or anything which are not true, but I will try and keep away from the thread as you ask
With respect, I never asked you to stay away but rather to stop posting in the manner that you have. I do have a question though - there is a thread about this on the QPR forum. Why post on this one and not that?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...bdo-islam-cartoon-terr-20151106726681265.html A link to an interesting article. I do have a lot of sympathy with Hornet-Fez's arguments and I think they are true in a lot of cases. I'm coming round to the argument, in this case, that it was the result of intellectual bankruptcy with religion appended as the reason. They were just dickheads who didn't have to look far for a cause. But armed dickheads are dangerous, of course. And that includes nations who act like dickheads and those who stand by and don't intervene.
