MARSCH OUT

[Jammy 07]

Bielsa is a genius and his style of play led to regular and dramatic exposure of the defence in transition.

It's a turkey shoot on Marsch at the moment, and I get why, but he isn't actually the complete idiot currently portrayed, his tactics did work ok at Salzburg in Europe (watch minamino and hwang rip liverpool apart at anfield, playing narrow) and everybody included him knows what the weaknesses of it are - he's done seminars on his formula, so no one needs to research too hard. The downside for me is primarily, much like bielsaball, that its imperative everyone does their job for it to work. Frankly with 11 footballers, the likelihood is that at least 1 of them won't at some point.

So the weakness isn't just that we leave the defence exposed to quick transitions. The theory if you read into it, is you accept if the press is beaten you are conceding the wide spaces, because at somepoint the ball has to come into the middle to score and you should have enough players there to deal with it - most of the time. But you see a lot of goals conceded where there are plenty of defenders in the middle, and a quality wide man still picks out the attacker - especially if the defenders don't appear to be marking anyone in as in our case . Maybe the main weakness though is having a system that requires 11 footballers to remember what they're supposed to do for a full 90 minutes, when most of them can't remember what they had for breakfast... or maybe it just needs better players.

As you say, considering the strategy is there on powerpoint for anyone who wants to replicate it, the finest coaching talent in world football don't appear to have fallen over themselves to try it.

Confidence is shot now, but prior to leicester which was a sh*t game and really should have been a 0-0. We lost games we could/should have won or drawn - due to individual f*ck ups rather than a terrible formation or strategy.

Agreed it's very fine margins.

If the Queen had lived another week and we'd beaten Forest on the Monday night who knows where we'd be right now.

 

[Jammy 07]

prejudice and sexism in one brief post jamster - you've been on this board too long.

It's my safe space

 

[milkyboy]

Agreed it's very fine margins.

If the Queen had lived another week and we'd beaten Forest on the Monday night who knows where we'd be right now.

indeed... the florists were en even bigger shambles than us at the time.

Liz Truss' fault. Only pm for a few days and killed the economy and the Queen.

 

[Doc]

“It's a turkey shoot on Marsch at the moment, and I get why, but he isn't actually the complete idiot currently portrayed, his tactics did work ok at Salzburg in Europe (watch minamino and hwang rip liverpool apart at anfield, playing narrow) and everybody included him knows what the weaknesses of it are - “

Milky can I respectfully mention that none of the Red Bull teams in Europe are still doing Marschball, as could be clearly seen last night in the CL. Just maybe everyone has worked out how to counter it and it has never worked here in the Premier League. We have been out oached just about every game and its up to Marsch to rell us his tactics have not been fully implemented yet? 23 games into the Marsch tenure its utter shyte

 

[milkyboy]

You can respectfully say whatever you like bud

 

[stonkin]

A rumour he’s said his goodbyes at
Thorpe
Arch. Could
Be a load of bull
Of
Course

Are you the one starting the rumour

 

[Doc]

Still hoping for Marcelo Gallardo but Domineca Tadesco would be fun:
Young at 37, Tedesco was sacked by Leipzig this season. He tidied up the mess left by Marsch at Leipzig last season – winning 20 of his 40 games. He has also managed Schalke and Spartak Moscow. Could he tidy Marsch’s mess again?

 

[NostradEmus]

Marsch ain't even doing Marschball anymore. He's playing with much more width in attack than his standard tactic.

 

[Jammy 07]

Marsch ain't even doing Marschball anymore. He's playing with much more width in attack than his standard tactic.

That may be true Emu, but we're still condensing the play in all areas of the pitch and once the opposition break free from that we're vunerable. Look at Willian's goal at the weekend as an example. Why were virtually our whole team defending a throw in by the corner flag and leaving the central area, which is includes the width of the goal, totally exposed ?

Could give you a million more examples of why it's schoolboy stuff and is contradictory to what the tactic is supposed to achieve.

 

[Eireleeds1]

That may be true Emu, but we're still condensing the play in all areas of the pitch and once the opposition break free from that we're vunerable. Look at Willian's goal at the weekend as an example. Why were virtually our whole team defending a throw in by the corner flag and leaving the central area, which is includes the width of the goal, totally exposed ?

Could give you a million more examples of why it's schoolboy stuff and is contradictory to what the tactic is supposed to achieve.

So dou you think Marschs tactics are crap, the players execution of them are crap meaning they’re pretty hopeless and can’t learn another formation or is it a combination of all of them not being much use. I suspect it’s that last option

 

[ristac]

So dou you think Marschs tactics are crap, the players execution of them are crap meaning they’re pretty hopeless and can’t learn another formation or is it a combination of all of them not being much use. I suspect it’s that last option

I think the players are not fit enough to keep it up for 90 minutes.

I then think it’s a very dangerous tactic unless you have the quality of Man City, most teams wold struggle with this tactic.

We haven’t 11 players good enough for the PL, worst striker and worst CBs in the division.

There is a reason most teams don’t play this tactic, actually do any? If it worked, they’d all be adopting it. Jesse certainly isn’t a revolutionary, I’d hazard the guess most teams don’t employ the tactic as it’s crap

 

[leeds down south]

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[NostradEmus]

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Won't work. He wants them to press in the opposition half. It's nonsense.

We want hoofball.

 

[Jammy 07]

Good job we didn't sack him after all and does Orta now get credit for backing his man, or is he still a useless twat ?

 

[milkyboy]

Looks like the private jet we sent to pick up Sean dyche this afternoon is coming back empty

hey, there’s always next week.

 

[Jammy 07]

Looks like the private jet we sent to pick up Sean dyche this afternoon is coming back empty

hey, there’s always next week.

Next week is cancelled...no training just bonding at Blackpool Illuminations for a few days.

Oh and Bamford is giving free rides out on the beach for the kiddies.

Don't worry Jesse has got this

 

[Eireleeds1]

Good job we didn't sack him after all and does Orta now get credit for backing his man, or is he still a useless twat ?

And again one swallow doesn’t make a summer. Leave me alone to celebrate

 

[Eireleeds1]

Looks like the private jet we sent to pick up Sean dyche this afternoon is coming back empty

hey, there’s always next week.

Load of bollox. He had a camper van parked outside Elland road

 

[Jammy 07]

And again one swallow doesn’t make a summer. Leave me alone to celebrate

Thought you weren't watching tonight ?

You know, man cave closed and all that.

 

[milkyboy]

Load of bollox. He had a camper van parked outside Elland road

So not true - we do things in style. The Leeds private jet has been sitting in the hangar since deadline day… with the ‘welcome Cody’ signs gathering dust in anticipation of January