Erm because we’ve scored 72 goals in 31 games (2nd behind arsenals 75) and conceded 30 goals in 31 (again 2nd behind arsenal). so evidence wojkd massively back up that we score a lot more than we concede over course of the season. You’re making out that we scrape 2-1 wins every week or something ffs.
Evidence would also back up we are the second best team Not saying that to start an argument Just repeating what you have just marked out I have had a gut feeling for Arsenal all year I am going to be gutted if we miss out again If not just for Klopp as he deserves to have won it more than once imho it feels to me very much like the season us and city won something like the last 14 games I think it could very much be decided on GD Anything could happen but unusually - I am chill about it all - aside from what I have just said for Klopp above - we would have been thrilled to have been 3rd or above before a ball was kicked - we have competed - yeah we have had chances but so have the others I do feel a tad robbed but we have benefitted from a few decisions too I am just going to sit back and watch us wrap up Klopp era and hope for another trophy for him and us
This statement is silly! If he “deserves” to have won it more than once, he would have won it more than once outright. You can’t use word such as deserving as though he is entitled to the trophy. You accumulate the points to win it just like everyone else. Even if City somehow gets disqualified for the last ten years for doping, which won happen, Liverpool would be credited with the league two extra times, effectively the same as Manchester United. If that scenario were to ever happen, I am certain you wouldn’t say that United deserve those second places turned into trophies.
Hm that can be debated though. Based on the games played so far then yes, however you have to take into account the opposition played. Can’t really make a full assessment until the teams have all played the same teams etc. Like they say in cricket, you can’t judge a teams batting performance until both teams have batted.
I'm always reluctant to go down this road because I've seen some pretty awful decisions go against other teams. They don't burn themselves into your memory in the same way, but I wonder if fans of some other teams can make a genuine case for their own. Wolves certainly seem to have been dealt a ****ty hand from officials this season from my memory. Having said that, I feel that far more game changing decisions have gone against us than against our current rivals, and that has definitely cost us dear in the title race. A lot of it can be put down to subjectivity, or just incompetence. "That" decision in the Spurs game was criminal, and just should never have happened, and even now I'm not satisfied that the explanation was the whole truth.
look, if all of the var stuff is ignored. our record stands for itself. if we play a bottom half side this season we have won all but 1, and won them well. we couldn't get a goal in those last season and last top 4 as a result. if we play a top half side we are actually unlikely to win it. (33% shot actually) and we conceded 1.3 goals per game. that's why we're are not the best side. actually arsenal and city are way better than us in those games. of the 3 games left v top half only 2 is at home I think (spurs) so I fully expect a least 2 and probabaly 4 points dropped (west ham, spurs villa) that will be that as far as the title goes. even if unbeaten a 5-2-0 record from now on won't cut it imo. I have some hope we can beat Everton, palace, Fulham and then wolves on the last day. its thr top half games thst our defence just doesn't cut it.
I think it’s too simplistic to just split it by top half and bottom half. You can’t compare a result against arsenal and city saying it’s same difficulty as playing West Ham or Chelsea just cos they are in top half. Way the points are currently shown prob have to say the table is split into 6 mini groups at the moment. And even then that doesn’t take form into account based on when you play each team. Us and City have picked up 3 points out of 12 against the other top 2. Compared to 8 for Arsenal. So based on that you’d say that us and city have a better record against the rest of the league and given all 3 teams play the rest of league in remaining games, maybe that makes us both favourites over arsenal based on past results? Top 3 4th & 5th 6th - 8th 9th to 13th 14th to 18th 19th & 20th
The top half games you mention (spurs West Ham villa) we beat West Ham, beat villa and only lost to spurs because of some awful decisions and a last minute OG. if you ignore your ‘top half 33%’ it actually equates to a 66% win ratio against those teams. This is why you can use stats to mean anything. If you broaden or narrow down your sample size you can make it look as good or bad as you want.
you could do it that way. I do the top 6 and top half and home v away. I genuinely find very little difference in standard from 11th to 20th when we are talking title challenging teams. if we look at the top 6 table (u added newcastle in this year for a top 6 but they were ****) it aligns quite well with the top half. more draws than wins. even there our goals against is consistent. the issue is that as the standard of opponent goes up the chances thst they exploit our shape and system goes up. we get punishment more. we go at sides and all the midfield goes to the ball. if they cough it up then we score more goals. in general we make plenty of our own chances but the better sides cough up less bad positions and we then miss the same amount of the chances we make ourselves so goals scored drops. the same thing then happens at the other end. if a side doesn't cough up the ball then they get massive space to pass into between our lines and the pressure comes on our back line. it'd klopps way and that is just that. we came our second half Sunday and looked like we were going to concede. the press dropped after ht for no reason and it was only a shock of how we conceded.
sorry but I am referring to future games not past results. our results suggested pregame v utd we needed 3 goals to be secure. it actually worked out just like that. West sham, spurs and villa are not as as us. but they have dangers thst can score. I would fully expect them to get at least 1 goal off us in each game and spurs and villa are big big dangers to us. you.can look at the games and expect bowen to be a huge issue for us. you can look at Watkins as a huge threat you can look at son as well. when we are running at 1.3 goals against in these games then we have to see thst something has to change. my thought is endo needs to sit between the cbs more and shut these games down especially if we get a lead. why chase up pressing with all 3 cms when leading a game where as the opponent needs to attack and we can counter.
Arsenal haven't had the injury list that we have had. That's rarely taken into consideration when assessing performances and/or results. City had De Bruyne and Haaland out for a few games but their strength in depth is like nobody else's. We're putting in massive effort and determination and getting results that, had we put up the team sheets at the start of the season, nobody would have forecast. Our expectations are shifting weekly, which is good because you should never settle.
Oh, neither do I normally, but this season as been awful. There are opposition fans pointing out how much Liverpool have been robbed!
Well you are looking at past results? That’s the entire premise of your post. You’ve taken all the previous results and are using those to make a prediction on what we’ll do in those 3 games. I’ve done exactly the same but used past results against them specifically. Like I said anyone can use stats to manipulate the data to fit their own narrative.
Suppose it’s the whole premise of the league Think one of the thing that does change towards the end of the season is the pressure Utd went into Sunday knowing they could dent our title challenge It’s just that little incentive that’s there I know it’s there all the time but in games towards the end of the season these things do seem to look like they are playing a factor imho
My premise is to examine our past form and find the pattern then see what that might mean! We conceded goals consistently and draw more than we win v top half. Given you want to just ignore the data of what has happened in general and focus on anfield games v West ham and villa as reason why we will just win away then I can only presume uoull be shocked when these sides score against us. We cough up chances. The stats show that, the results show it and the reasons why are obvious too. Once we scored 1 v utd that should be that but we give up chances all the time and so it proved to be the case again. The 3 top half sides we have left each have the same level of danger men we will give bags of space and chances to play in.
