Managerial Stability

[PeterRICK]

Saw this on tw*tter this morning and it raised me eyebrows I can tell you - both of 'em at that.

Wenger, love him or hate him, has served almost 6 times longer than the next EPL manager. Even more impressive is that he's only served 490 days less than all the other managers combined. Madness.

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[CCC]

It's funny that our new manager is now the fourth longest serving current PL manager. I say funny, I mean sad. Stability breeds success. Wenger rarely outside top four like Fergie. Moyes (at Everton!!) too was a good indication of what can happen if a manager is given time. He might not have won much but, given his budget, he almost always overachieved.

If your team is doing badly the worst thing you can do is sack the manager. How many teams approaching relegation have gone down if they sack their manager? How many survive if they don't? I'd wager the stable ships sail clear of the relegation zone more often than not. Anyone got any stat's on that phenomenon?

 

[cini65]

It's funny that our new manager is now the fourth longest serving current PL manager. I say funny, I mean sad. Stability breeds success. Wenger rarely outside top four like Fergie. Moyes (at Everton!!) too was a good indication of what can happen if a manager is given time. He might not have won much but, given his budget, he almost always overachieved.

If your team is doing badly the worst thing you can do is sack the manager. How many teams approaching relegation have gone down if they sack their manager? How many survive if they don't? I'd wager the stable ships sail clear of the relegation zone more often than not. Anyone got any stat's on that phenomenon?

Irrelevant comparisons.

these teams might have got relegated with the manager staying anyway. You never know.

Look at Southampton sacking Adkins... right move.
Liverpool sacking Hodgson... right move.

If you sack a manager quickly, you're seen as not backing stability. If you wait ages and accumulate failure after failure you're seen as being naive.

What's the cutoff point? How long should you wait and put up with failure before you know that enough is enough?

 

[CCC]

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If you sack a manager quickly, you're seen as not backing stability. If you wait ages and accumulate failure after failure you're seen as being naive...

That's a fair point. I, personally, think a manager should be given a few transfer windows to put his own impression on the team. Moyes brought in Mata and Fellaini (decent signings to my mind!) and, after another couple of windows, it'd have been fairer to judge him then.

The next MU manager will likely sell a load of players, get a huge transfer kitty, and then be lauded, not for doing better than Fergie, but for doing better than Moyes! TBH, I do feel a bit sorry for wee Davie.

 

[K3]

That's a fair point. I, personally, think a manager should be given a few transfer windows to put his own impression on the team. Moyes brought in Mata and Fellaini (decent signings to my mind!) and, after another couple of windows, it'd have been fairer to judge him then.

The next MU manager will likely sell a load of players, get a huge transfer kitty, and then be lauded, not for doing better than Fergie, but for doing better than Moyes! TBH, I do feel a bit sorry for wee Davie.

If we had given Hodgson anymore time at Liverpool he would have completely ****ed the club, much worse than what Moyes did at Utd. Sometimes you have to be proactive if you can see someone failing at the task in hand.

 

[PeterRICK]

It's already 'kin turned into a Liverpool thread! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

 

[CCC]

If we had given Hodgson anymore time at Liverpool he would have completely ****ed the club, much worse than what Moyes did at Utd. Sometimes you have to be proactive if you can see someone failing at the task in hand.

I have to agree with that.

 

[ToledoTrumpton]

It's funny that our new manager is now the fourth longest serving current PL manager. I say funny, I mean sad. Stability breeds success. Wenger rarely outside top four like Fergie. Moyes (at Everton!!) too was a good indication of what can happen if a manager is given time. He might not have won much but, given his budget, he almost always overachieved.

If your team is doing badly the worst thing you can do is sack the manager. How many teams approaching relegation have gone down if they sack their manager? How many survive if they don't? I'd wager the stable ships sail clear of the relegation zone more often than not. Anyone got any stat's on that phenomenon?

I think it is rapidly becoming clear that Moyes could have (should have?) done better at Everton. We often hear our supporters saying that Arsenal are a "Big Club", well at certain points Everton have been just as big. They had a big opportunity with the Rooney money to kick on, but that was largely wasted.

Not sure that stability for stability's sake is worth much, but if you have a proven manager who CAN succeed given the right conditions, I think you need to be very cautious before you change to a manager who may not be capable.