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Manager of the Year.

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Nostalgic, May 17, 2016.

  1. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    No.

    That's nothing more than a wild assumption.

    That's like saying if you go off just your points per game for the last 3 games you'd have probably won the league under Sam.

    If you had Sam for the full season, based on his win rate and PPG, you'd have finished with 47 points.
     
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  2. Tel (they/them)

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    <laugh>
     
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    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    Of course no one could predict that, but where he is coming from is the average points tally under Big Sam would have got us to 8th if it was spread over the whole season..
     
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  4. Tel (they/them)

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    I think it was avg points per game since the transfer window or something, Fife Mackem did the crunching, it was sort of an assumed projection.

    Every team will probably be stronger next season, that's what will matter. You can't afford to buy players who are not ready on match day one if you have top 8 aspirations.
     
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    crumble bungle Well-Known Member

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    YEAH YEAH YEAH, well done ranhairy or whatever, well done Leicester, lets have another parade and a party to go with it.
    lets all celebrate for another few weeks the winning of the league by a massive underdog and the failure of any of the usual top teams to perform.
    getting a little tired of it all now and yet..... we will have it all next season when we welcome the champions etc etc etc.

    Rant done and im feeling somewhat relaxed now <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  6. Nacho

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    I'm not claiming to be a ****ing psychic, I'm going off Fifemackem's thread where he calculated how Sam would have done over a full season based on how he did when he was here.

    Not an exact science but it is suggestive, unless you'd rather take a negative viewpoint and not give credit where it's due.
     
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  7. Tel (they/them)

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    Like you lot wouldn't be partying all summer if you won the league <ok>

    Of course, the anti-Sunderland media wouldn't even acknowledge it, they'd be showing repeats of Byker Grove instead.
     
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  8. MrRAWhite

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    Anything around/above mid table will count as a massive step forward in my opinion..
     
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  9. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    You wouldn't be far wrong with this regarding the local TV stations..
     
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  10. mackemwelder

    mackemwelder Well-Known Member

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    Routine task? Ranieri never took over a winning team mate, he took over a team that had escaped relegation the previous season, much like ourselves. There's two managers who have stood out all season, Ranieri and Pochettino the rest have been way behind, including BSA.
     
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    For gawd's sake, give Leicester fans a break. They've waited 132 years for it. Party on, City fans, I can't begrudge you one minute of it.
     
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  12. Tel (they/them)

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    It's having the character to keep pushing when you've got nisht to play for innit, I might be right in thinking (or completely wrong) that around 2010, you were safe early doors and just sort of stopped playing. That's the trouble with mid-table, the final few weeks of the season are generally just meaningless and uninspiring. You'll be crying out for another entertaining relegation scrap by this time next year <laugh>
     
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    Noooooo!!<yikes>.. My heart can't take many more of those..<laugh>
     
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    No it's not because when you look at the stats from a long period of time it gives a clearer picture. Saying that studying the results for the majority of the season is the same as studying the results for the last three games is daft.

    I'm not saying I'm convinced we'd have finished eighth or higher based on theoretical stat projections, just making the point that Sam did well and saying all he did is finish seventeenth doesn't tell the full story.
     
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    Yeah, for the mags to drop down into Div 1.
     
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    lol, i wouldn't know what to do if we won the league, its so wide of the mark to even suggest such a thing.
    Probably better odds on me winning the lottery, but if it did....yep i would be partying all year too :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    Regarding the local TV coverage..Anyone else notice that Look North didn't even acknowledge that we had a game over the weekend, and in the extended highlights they showed of the Mags v Spurs game, the female presenter kept referring to Newcastle as we and us..
     
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  18. Tel (they/them)

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    But you wouldn't have finished 8th looking at Allardyce's entire stint this season, even if it wasn't just a flimsy projection. Depending on your g/d you'd have finished 11/12/13th.

    The data Fife used was post transfer-window, which is skewed for all sorts of reasons.

    Allardyce is a top manager and the best (well, him and Pulis are pretty level) at what he does, nobody can deny that.
     
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    You say that but there's a few on here that seem determined not to give him any credit.

    Eleventh would have been a great achievement for a team in the mess we were in.
     
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    I think Mark Hughes has done well by keeping Stoke in the top 10 for three consecutive years (finished 9th each time).
    Didn't do much good Managing Wales but did well at Blackburn and Manchester City before disasters at Fulham and QPR and has come good again at Stoke.
    Roughly 40% win ratio is not bad imo.
    Sort of a quiet achiever without doing anything extraordinary.
     
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