Did'nt mean to upset you - I'm just as frustrated with things at Sunderland as you but NMCOT looks better than noty my cup of tea -plus no spellcheck typo's . It's the emotional stuff we all go through I can see Jan being our catch up time again - if our youngsters can step up and stop us falling too far behind ( or even treading water above relegation places ??) I think we'll be ok - .....but its dangerous being too positive So relegation certainties