Off Topic mafia 5: game thread

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Nozzer said:
Well, well, well. What an evening. First we hang an innocent man, then we kill a mafia, then Mikey comes out with his "report".As I see it, the options are:

  1. I'm the mafia don. Which I'm not, because I'm innocent. I know this for a fact, though I appreciate that you don't.
  2. Mikey is mafia and lying.
  3. Mikey is innocent and lying, i.e. being forced to say it by the mafia against his will
  4. Mikey is innocent and his information is wrong.
I don't think there any stated rules that allow 3 or 4, though both are certainly conceivable hidden rules, should there be any, so I certainly don't think we can rule them out.

Which leaves 2. Why lie (or force Mikey to lie in Scenario 3)? Well, the story they've come up with is pretty simple - we know from nightfall that the Russians recruited, and the Danilo died and was in the Russian mafia. It's pretty simple to put the story together, or, if they're the Russians they may even know it to be true (apart from me being the Don). Me being lynched serves them well as I'm either an innocent townie or opposition mafia. I have no way to disprove this myself, without revealing myself to have a role, which would play into their hands. The only other way to disprove it is if another witness comes forward to challenge the validity of the claim, which would mean that the mafia have sniffed out another townie. The witness also has the problem that if I get lynched anyway and it turns out that I'm from the other mafia, then they're screwed as well, which might make them refrain from revealing themselves at this stage. Looks even better for the mafia then.

It's perhaps also worth noting that IBWT has been supporting Mikey pretty vehemently in this, and Mikey has just said the IBWT seems almost certainly to be town. This makes it sound like they're either freemasons, or both mafia. Going after me seems a bit silly given that I voted IBWT in the first round (albeit pretty much just for fun), so that when/if I'm lynched tonight and people see I'm innocent, they'll then look at who I voted for, but then again, that's the sort of great game Biscan loves to play (remember his great move on the first day last time out?) Not saying it definately is IBWT, but that's my best guess at the moment.

For now, though, I'll unsurprisingly vote Mikey.
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Sounds very muh like the drunked ramblings of a Mafia boss who has drunken all his most expensive wine in the knowledge that tonight he will be lynched <whistle> :bandit:
 
Just to throw this out there, but it is a possibility that the mafia may be able to intimidate a witness into giving a false account. If AFC has hidden abilities, the mafia may have too.
I know Nozzer is not long for this world, but if he is found to be innocent, it may not neccesarily 100% mean Mikey is mafia, he could be getting leaned on by some wise guys.
 
BobbyD said:
Mikey is definitely in my sights for the lynch if Nozzer is innocent. Wheres the paperboy?
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This.. One of them had to be Mafia..?

if we lynch nozzer and he's innocent then mikey is in serious trouble.

Paper is delivered at 10am so interesting to see what comes from that
 
Dear all. I am now just on so I am personally a bit late. I have all the info but need to count the votes.

Please note:

1. Paper will be about 10am. I have to get the vote table done

2. The DOUBLE VOTE is in effect. remember the person who gets the role will get a pm and are supposed to PM me back to allow me to cast the second vote. The deadline for a double vote is 7:59pm accroding to my rules. Its down to the individual to decide how to use the power.
 
here is the table as of 10am

Day 2 voting


Nozzer- 6 vote – by bodanki, bobbyD, real morgan, swarbs, mikey, obi wan

Mikey -1 vote- by nozzer

no votes:

RHC

AFCFTW

Bodanki

Astro

IBWT

mikey

magic

Billy

Gerrez

Nozzer

Swarbs

Valley

Obi wan

real morgan freeman

BobbyD

goonercymraeg


please note i've not done a who has not voted yet part of the votes. i think you can work that out
 
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Mikey said:
Also just to throw this out there in case for some reason I'm not around tomorrow, and I expect I will not be alive in days after that when I'm actually proven, my biggest town is IBWT, Nozzer voted him day one and he comes across pretty innocent to me. Probably highest on my ****list is Gerrez at the mo, not a hard read just seemed a bit suspicious to me at times, nothing major though. Use that information as you see fit!
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Intriguing. Surely if Nozzer is Mafia he would be trying to find the other Mafia, ergo that would imply IBWT might be a member of whichever Mafia Nozzer is not? Unsure why you try to claim he is town, unless you are trying to take advantage of the confusion to hide him in plain sight?
 
I feel IBWT either has a town role or is guilty, definitely feel suspicious of him, though no concrete reasoning why...
 
Bodanki said:
Just to throw this out there, but it is a possibility that the mafia may be able to intimidate a witness into giving a false account. If AFC has hidden abilities, the mafia may have too.
I know Nozzer is not long for this world, but if he is found to be innocent, it may not neccesarily 100% mean Mikey is mafia, he could be getting leaned on by some wise guys.
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That would make sense if the Mafia have that power. Choose two non Mafia people and make one of them finger the other. We then lynch Nozzer, if he's innocent we lynch Mikey, and potentially have killed two innocents. Of course the Mafia may get lucky and one of them is from the other side anyway, so it's a no lose scenario.

That would be a very powerful power to have, so I wonder if MITO would allow the Mafia to have it - it basically lets them kill two townies early on with little risk. Although only one Mafia recruited last night and no one was hit, so maybe the other Mafia spent their cash on using this power?

I'm just struggling with the likelihood of Danilo being recruited, murdered and witnessed all on the same night - seems very implausible. Also him being described as the Mafia goon when the rules say each Mafia has only one goon - surely he couldn't be the goon if recruited?

Tho' ultimately, for all the scepticism, I think the only way to find out for sure is to lynch Nozzer and see what turns up.
 
Swarbs said:
That would make sense if the Mafia have that power. Choose two non Mafia people and make one of them finger the other. We then lynch Nozzer, if he's innocent we lynch Mikey, and potentially have killed two innocents. Of course the Mafia may get lucky and one of them is from the other side anyway, so it's a no lose scenario.

That would be a very powerful power to have, so I wonder if MITO would allow the Mafia to have it - it basically lets them kill two townies early on with little risk. Although only one Mafia recruited last night and no one was hit, so maybe the other Mafia spent their cash on using this power?

I'm just struggling with the likelihood of Danilo being recruited, murdered and witnessed all on the same night - seems very implausible. Also him being described as the Mafia goon when the rules say each Mafia has only one goon - surely he couldn't be the goon if recruited?

Tho' ultimately, for all the scepticism, I think the only way to find out for sure is to lynch Nozzer and see what turns up.
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Thats whats bothering me too.
The thing with Mikey is, if Nozzer turns out to be innocent, then Mikey is guaranteed death, so that would be a pretty dumb move to just make it up if you are mafia as you are signing your own death warrant. Also note that Mikey was careful to use the exact words he was given, possibly because any elaboration or deviation from the the story may have caused him harm.
Its just a theory, but like you say, Nozzer's fate tonight will be the key variable.
 
Swarbs said:
Intriguing. Surely if Nozzer is Mafia he would be trying to find the other Mafia, ergo that would imply IBWT might be a member of whichever Mafia Nozzer is not? Unsure why you try to claim he is town, unless you are trying to take advantage of the confusion to hide him in plain sight?
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Nozzer voted for me within about 5 minutes of the game starting... If I was on a different Mafia team to him then he would only be having a wild stab on the dark (he admitted he only voted me because it's a sure fire thing given I was Mafia in last couple of games).

withjn 5 minutes of the game he'd have no way of knowing I was 100% Mafia?

Onviously i I know im not, but if I was, there's no way nozzer would know that early in the game?
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
Nozzer voted for me within about 5 minutes of the game starting... If I was on a different Mafia team to him then he would only be having a wild stab on the dark (he admitted he only voted me because it's a sure fire thing given I was Mafia in last couple of games).

withjn 5 minutes of the game he'd have no way of knowing I was 100% Mafia?

Onviously i I know im not, but if I was, there's no way nozzer would know that early in the game?
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Unless he was bluffing early of course and you're on the same team. Mafia have time to plan a strategy from the off as I remember <whistle> Vote on Bisc early then change mind and no-one really notices etc etc.....just saying <laugh>
 
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