Mafia 4

[The artist JerryChristmas]

I dunno - if the Mafia can recruit tonight then maybe letting Bisc die was part of their plan to make some of them look innocent. Bisc basically threw himself under the bus by voting Sky early on, so I'm wondering if he wasn't sacrificed to free up a space for the Mafia to recruit, and to make those who voted for him look innocent.

brb in particular has perfect camouflage given his track record of random voting so that could be designed to make us think he is just an innocent nutter, as opposed to a guilty nutter!

Bisc would never agree to that

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I'm not just throwing a name out if it's not obvious but ever lfc fan here should know

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Bisc would never agree to that

#teamplayer
#notallaboutbisc
#biscanforpresident

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Ok so I am on day 2 without a good suspect even though brb is nuts I looked at his late conversation with the guilty one himself. On it's face brb might be innocent but then again he could be colluding with ibwt I can't know
Therefore I am thinking of fishing a bit so I put
mummy up to see what happens

 

[Swarbs]

Maybe but the heavy role is not without power is it? Forcing a vote is a good tool though it may be obvious unless the vote you force is not linked to any vote

I think it's far better to keep your player in play than lose one

We will see

Tbh I think forcing a vote is quite a limited power given when it has to be used. You have to force by 10am, and given the propensity for us all to want to use coinflips then I think 80% of the time all you would succeed in doing is getting an innocent into the flip, which will happen in most coinflips anyway, and the other 20% of the time you would get someone to cast a single vote for someone. You'll never be able to wield a decisive vote without exposing the other Mafioso.

Bisc would never agree to that

True, but he may not have had a choice if the other Mafioso were in the flip. Also when Bisc saw he'd been put out on his own with four votes he didn't try to change his own vote to save himself.

I know that changing would have exposed him as Mafia, but at that point he had nothing to lose so I'd have expected him to try and take down brb or one of the others in the tie with him, unless he knew they were also Mafia. That way he'd have had a chance to take down an innocent, even if it meant he'd be lynched the following evening.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Tbh I think forcing a vote is quite a limited power given when it has to be used. You have to force by 10am, and given the propensity for us all to want to use coinflips then I think 80% of the time all you would succeed in doing is getting an innocent into the flip, which will happen in most coinflips anyway, and the other 20% of the time you would get someone to cast a single vote for someone. You'll never be able to wield a decisive vote without exposing the other Mafioso.



True, but he may not have had a choice if the other Mafioso were in the flip. Also when Bisc saw he'd been put out on his own with four votes he didn't try to change his own vote to save himself.

I know that changing would have exposed him as Mafia, but at that point he had nothing to lose so I'd have expected him to try and take down brb or one of the others in the tie with him, unless he knew they were also Mafia. That way he'd have had a chance to take down an innocent, even if it meant he'd be lynched the following evening.

you might be right on the powers. I have not thought on how to use it but if the pm is issued at 10am then that perosn can just vote but you need backing to make it happen... however i think later in the game on day 3/4 when votes go low its usefullness might increase.

if it was game ending time itd swing the whole game.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

11:15 table:

Voting Table: (Order vertically is from first person voted to most recent person voted for, Order of votes by is first cast listed first, second listed second etc)
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td]Nominee[/td]
[td]Votes[/td]
[td]Vote(s) By[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Valley[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]mummy, nozzer[/td]
[/tr]

[tr]
[td]Gerrez[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]brb[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]BRB[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]AFC[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]nozzer[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]valley[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]mummy[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]mito[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

not voted listed alphabetically: Billy, Bodanki, danilo. Gerrez, Lucaaas, mito , RHC, Sky, Swarbs, valley

Table of people with no votes: (listed alphabetically)
[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: left"]
[tr]
[td]Nominee[/td]
[td]Votes[/td]
[td]Vote(s) By[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]billy[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]bodanki[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Danilo[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Lucaaas[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]mummy's milk[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Nozzer[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]RHC[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]sky[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]

[tr]
[td]Swarbs[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]No lynch[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

but somewhere buried in day one is some truth its just a matter fo finding it before its obvious in hindsight and too late.

Pick picky here but the majority of what we are reading is the truth since there are eleven innocents to three/four Mafia (I'm not convinced Biscan is completely out of the game)

So we have two known innocents now right?

No. The Newspaper suggests Lucaaas is innocent but there is a hacker to consider. I'd say Lucaaas is likely to be innocent but its not 100% certain

Let's debate this

1. A certain someone is the journo and this is real

2. The mafia hacked and wrote this to sound like said someone


Personally.... Option 2 is so obvious in the text that I wonder. We all know who it sounds like don't we... Do we believe or not believe the post. Anything is possible but I don't want to just finger Lucaas by extension as a hack may be done without protecting him anything could occur but we will see

I'm not just throwing a name out if it's not obvious but ever lfc fan here should know

Agree MITO, but also suspect its a little too obvious and not quite the right words so maybe its a frame attempt

 

[Bodinki]

Pick picky here but the majority of what we are reading is the truth since there are eleven innocents to three/four Mafia (I'm not convinced Biscan is completely out of the game)




No. The Newspaper suggests Lucaaas is innocent but there is a hacker to consider. I'd say Lucaaas is likely to be innocent but its not 100% certain






Agree MITO, but also suspect its a little too obvious and not quite the right words so maybe its a frame attempt

Don't suppose we have anyway of knowing if the article is genuine unless the journo comes forth to admit it, but then he puts himself in the frame, so thats a bad move.
Would really help us if we could be assured of Lucaas' innocence though.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Hoping I get killed or converted tonight, I want to know what the hell is going off. Why is Biscan still commenting? Not just with the odd comment, its influential stuff. Is he a Mafia ghost or something?

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Hoping I get killed or converted tonight, I want to know what the hell is going off. Why is Biscan still commenting? Not just with the odd comment, its influential stuff. Is he a Mafia ghost or something?

Or am I being a massive **** and bitter about being voted off

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

ok like milk i do a list and see what i don't know.

afcftw: I don't know. I have failed to see anything bad. sure he is posting less but he did flag it too. yes its a tactic for some but its a very low suspicion.
Bodanki': I don't know. consistent with prior games. held vote then got involved later did vote late on after 7:59 but there was a table and signal to do that
brb: undecided: could be mafia and in collusion with ibwt. might not be either.
danilo: I don't know. he has been consistent with prior games.
Gerrez: dodgy dodgy dodgy sorry greez: so far though the one action i record is him switching votes off brb when it was a tie and he didn't need to. not sure.
InBiscanWeTrust: Mafia and dead
Lucaaas: Don't know. I didn't see anything bad. Journo clears him but need to consider the hack.
moreinjuredthanowen: obviously i say i am innocent
Mummy: So far logical. I was a bit perplexed by him choosing lucaas at random after i showed i had chosen him random before he came on. I don't have a read.
Nozzer: one thing tickles me warning signs and that is he voted IBWT before IBWT started his antics after 10am. either he is inspired, really unlucky or was planned mafia vote. i have to raise this suspicion
Red Hadron Collider: I have no idea whatsoever.
Skylarker*: he's the cop but worryingly missing.
Swarbs: I don't know. I have failed to see anything bad, he did vote later on but like bod it was to tie things up.
The artist Billy Can can: I don't know. I have failed to see anything bad, its been easy to sit back
ValleyGraduate12: Undecided. he sounded like he was being leaned on but we can't just go by that either.


So thats my table. really the only guy i have a worry on is nozzer due to one early vote prior to the known mafia move taking place.


Masons:

absolutely no clue. there was so much late i cannot see a mafia voting pattern so with only 2 people? I can't say. wouldn't want to either

vigilante: no clue... again who can tell

Police. sky and one unknown. The detective should have done an investigation so where is that info?

journalist???? Could be someone but unless that someone speaks up and clarifies i need say no more. Its a good role but i feel either it was hacked to put us on that person for dodgy reasons or is blown. If its blown we need to know if the info was real. that would be important.

Mafia???? assassin, recruiter, hacker................... we all have 9 town to avoid and 3 more mafia, plus ourselves and then sky = 14.

If we beleive that x and lucaaas are innocent that means we have 7 more town to avoid and 3 mafia in there.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Or am I being a massive **** and bitter about being voted off

this


you should really leave it but its not my game

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Or am I being a massive **** and bitter about being voted off

Well, I had thought of that but also considered that Astro has been on (and commented) since so surely he'd have told you to STFU

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Don't suppose we have anyway of knowing if the article is genuine unless the journo comes forth to admit it, but then he puts himself in the frame, so thats a bad move.
Would really help us if we could be assured of Lucaas' innocence though.

exactly.

it would help which makes it tempting. I have no reason to really suspect lucaaas right now cos unlike some i can't read minds.



The thing is the journalist can investigate and publish each day what they like so only one can be false. If we mark lucaaas down not as known innocent but rather reported innocent then as that list grows we can challenge each. any could be recruited and any could be a lie.

so... day 2.

anything occurring?

 

[Bodinki]

Sky's absence is a little worrying if I am honest.
He is the one person whose innocence we know for sure and he hasn't been around to help.

Valleys fake coercion claim is still gnawing at me. I know he is new, but why vote then just do a crying smiley when asked why he has voted and say "My silence is deafening" what are we to take from that other than he was being coerced, which he then claimed he wasn't (which we know for sure because he later changed his vote and didn't die).
Why do that unless it's some kind of trick? maybe to cast further doubt on IBWT, who was mafia. If the theory that the mafia was sacrificing Bisc is true then that would certainly fall in line with that theory.

For that reason I am voting Valley

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

ok like milk i do a list and see what i don't know.

afcftw: I don't know. I have failed to see anything bad. sure he is posting less but he did flag it too. yes its a tactic for some but its a very low suspicion.
Bodanki': I don't know. consistent with prior games. held vote then got involved later did vote late on after 7:59 but there was a table and signal to do that
brb: undecided: could be mafia and in collusion with ibwt. might not be either.
danilo: I don't know. he has been consistent with prior games.
Gerrez: dodgy dodgy dodgy sorry greez: so far though the one action i record is him switching votes off brb when it was a tie and he didn't need to. not sure.
InBiscanWeTrust: Mafia and dead
Lucaaas: Don't know. I didn't see anything bad. Journo clears him but need to consider the hack.
moreinjuredthanowen: obviously i say i am innocent
Mummy: So far logical. I was a bit perplexed by him choosing lucaas at random after i showed i had chosen him random before he came on. I don't have a read.
Nozzer: one thing tickles me warning signs and that is he voted IBWT before IBWT started his antics after 10am. either he is inspired, really unlucky or was planned mafia vote. i have to raise this suspicion
Red Hadron Collider: I have no idea whatsoever.
Skylarker*: he's the cop but worryingly missing.
Swarbs: I don't know. I have failed to see anything bad, he did vote later on but like bod it was to tie things up.
The artist Billy Can can: I don't know. I have failed to see anything bad, its been easy to sit back
ValleyGraduate12: Undecided. he sounded like he was being leaned on but we can't just go by that either.


So thats my table. really the only guy i have a worry on is nozzer due to one early vote prior to the known mafia move taking place.


Masons:

absolutely no clue. there was so much late i cannot see a mafia voting pattern so with only 2 people? I can't say. wouldn't want to either

vigilante: no clue... again who can tell

Police. sky and one unknown. The detective should have done an investigation so where is that info?

journalist???? Could be someone but unless that someone speaks up and clarifies i need say no more. Its a good role but i feel either it was hacked to put us on that person for dodgy reasons or is blown. If its blown we need to know if the info was real. that would be important.

Mafia???? assassin, recruiter, hacker................... we all have 9 town to avoid and 3 more mafia, plus ourselves and then sky = 14.

If we beleive that x and lucaaas are innocent that means we have 7 more town to avoid and 3 mafia in there.

Neither have I Who died last night? This thing moves to fast to keep up with

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Gerrez: dodgy dodgy dodgy sorry greez: so far though the one action i record is him switching votes off brb when it was a tie and he didn't need to. not sure.

People seriously need to pick up on this ****. I've done nothing dodgy, absolutely nothing. There are two things I have done so far;

1) Valley switched his vote which could be considered an attempt to save me. Attention as stayed on me despite suspicion around Valley dying a little. Makes sense eh...?

and

2) I suggested we follow the only known innocents (Sky) lead and let him randomly pick three or four people to ensure there was no Mafia influence.


MITO seemed to strongly object to number two and as gone along with number one too. This makes me very suspicious of MITO. Why isolate someone for making a glaringly obvious suggestion that would clearly favour townspeople...?

I also suspect Bod (highlighted previously) but I'm willing to wait and see with that one as he could have got wrapped up in the BRB an shambles

As fun as BRB is, I think he needs to go too as he is not going to be a team player so if he is innocent, he's of no use moving forward IMO. However, if he's Mafia he will **** it up for them too.


Edit: I see Milk in the same way as MITO, he's considering me guilty for number one. Nozzer seemed to halfheartedly agree with MITO too on number two.

 

[Bodinki]

Neither have I Who died last night? This thing moves to fast to keep up with

IBWT died last night, he was the Mafia Heavy.

Also, BRB is insane.....

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Don't suppose we have anyway of knowing if the article is genuine unless the journo comes forth to admit it, but then he puts himself in the frame, so thats a bad move.
Would really help us if we could be assured of Lucaas' innocence though.

The journo coming forward wouldn't necessarily help. If the hacker as been involved, he may have just changed the role in the game and left everything else the same. Therefore, the journo could think its right but it isn't.