I agree with Kev too , He signed an improved contract 3 month ago ! Baz would be within his rights to make him honour it! However He could have a clause in there that states if a prem team came a knocking ,he could go! In the meantime get our pre season sorted out , No AT no Conway , whats plan b?
Guys (and gals) --at the risk of sounding miserable again (no risk--certainty) and of being accused of being unfair to Mr B (who? me?) just a comment on his statement on the Watford site. I did not find it re-assuring. It seems Mr B rejected the Cardiff approach in advance of a board meeting--and is only now planning to have this crucial matter discussed by the board. Is that a wise way to run a business, and is it not even more unwise to reveal it at this moment, in the middle of tough negotiations? It is an open invitation to Cardiff to come back with another offer,and hints that the full board may take a different view. Mr B does seem an odd mixture of the naive and the secretive, and this is another example.
Kev, i would actually assume that there is some form of PRP built into all players and managers contracts. I.e. if a striker scores he gets a few quid, where as if the defence keep a clean sheet they get a few quid. The managers are less lucky as i assume they only get paid per trophey or for promotion. However it might be that MM got a small bonus for keeping us up, or the higher we finished.
I would imagine that upon refusal Cardiff would immediately have put in a counter with a higher compensation package. GT/Bas etc. will have been discussing with Malky his wishes and if he's shown any interest then its appropriate that they discuss any changed offer before another response. Having stated he'll do whatever he can to keep Malky discussing with GT particularly his view on increased compensation/package for Malky versus using that budget for players or or or is I believe the right thing to do. Additionally if there have been talks behind the scenes between Malky and Cardiff without permission then it shoulkd be a board decision as to whether disciplinary action/legal action is apropriate. Just wait and see is all we can do.
Roger in my view that is Baz's plan. I believe all relevant parties at Watford have known the position for quite q while, and Baz's task is to maximise the compensation figure. What is plan B? I hope it is ready to run.
Dennis Wise Lawrie Sanchez ring any bells I have had enough of this agony, was elated when Baz initially told em to do one! In my book now if MM goes He has lied ,making Baz`s position if not untenable ,then very difficult and deeply unpopular! Roger and Elixir ,time to give a little thought towards AFC Watford!(only joking)
Dan, there are exactly those type of things - promotion/goal bonuses etc - one ex Watford defender even had a £1k a goal bonus - guess who took the penalties? Some of the clauses I;ve seen area little crazy! What I would like to see is a smaller basic but higher win-bonuses.
I suppose the important thing is the eventual outcome of these negotiations, not how they are being conducted. But it did seem a bit odd that Mr B (who is after all neither the CEO nor the Chairman of the club) would reject the Cardiff approach without discussing it with the board, which is supposed to have some influence over decisions of this sort. Then even odder that he would reveal this fact in mid-negotiation , clearly signalling that the matter is not over. For the future, it raises issues about how the club is to be run, the role of the board and role of specific people on it.
Forgive me, but I thought Baz had said "I'm gonna be makin' the decisions round 'ere". Cardiff's approach to us was hardly unexpected???? So Baz front's up with a firm "NO", and then over qualifies this with a limp "I'd better go and consult the men". I think we all know the position, he is stalling Cardiff hoping they either go away (unlikely) or get desperate and up the ££££. This pantomime extra time isn't doing anyone any good - Malky knows what he wants to do, and I expect a swift conclusion to the episode with Baz banking the readies into the "Ashcroft Fund".
Elixir--and if this is an example of him "makin' the decisions around 'ere", then how long will the members of the board put up with it? What then is their role? The hairdresser might think this is how a board operates, and be happy with it, but I can't see any serious board member going along with this style of management. This may be merely a little entr'acte in this particular pantomime, but it is an odd one, and could be a telling one. Even the not normally thoughtful chaps who contribute to the WO discussion boards think it rather odd--have a look.
Roger - at the end of the day Malky is "just an employee", but I think most would suggest he is the most important one - the club has risen and fallen over my last 30 years due to the prevailing fortunes of the manager. But if Malky wants to explore opportunities elsewhere, then the relationship doesn't have a future IMO.
It does seem odd to say the least that we have an owner who is not a board member, yet claims that he wants to be involved in everything. LA was the effective owner of the club, but made it clear that he didn't want to be involved in the running of the club. We now have Mr.B shooting from the hip, then GT having to say that the board will discuss it, and Cardiff will have to wait until that has taken place. This seems to have left us in a situation where we do not know who is speaking on behalf of the club and to my mind is a receipe for conflict.
OFH - Not sure what you are saying is correct. On the official web site it is Pinocchio who is saying he will consult with GT and the board and GT is confirming this - seems a sensible move to me. I am sure there would be lots of criticism if Pinocchio had not consulted the board..
Have you any idea which person is speaking for the club? One or both. I had been reading a bit from a welsh newspaper, where it looked as if GT was stating that it would be a board decision. Prior to that however Mr. B seemed to want to tell Cardiff to go away. Are we to assume that he thought he should consult the board without a nudge from somewhere?
OFH is exactly right here. This could mean nothing (the board knew what he was going to say and was happy with it) or could reflect Mr B's inexperience in working with a board, or could be a foretaste of how Mr B intends to manage the club. In which case, as OFH says, a recipe for conflict and confusion. They had better sort out who speaks for the club on what issues, and how major decisions (hiring and firing managers/transfer decisions) are going to be made.
It seems to work on the lower levels but managers seem to be exempt from this and seem to get bonuses regardless of their performance and the companys performance.
It's all very distasteful. Don't like my seeing my club involved in a farce. If he want's to go, then I want him out, ASAP.
