LUKE FREEMAN

So 2 managers who do the exact same thing, because one is a good manager it's ok, and because one isn't a good manager it's amateur unprofessional? Logic.

 

Alex Ferguson was a great Manager.

I am not sure if Lee Johnson will be viewed as even bang average at BCFC.

Rooney has gone onto be Manchester United record goal scorer. Luke Freeman has left under a cloud on the cheap side. I am not sure if the two can be considered comparable in any context. The latter does look amateur, unprofessional and wholly unskilled. Abraham Maslow Mr Johnson is not.

 

I wonder if Freeman will end up as revered by QPR as Ayling is at Leeds - about to enjoy a playoff place as their star player?

One that got away maybe?

 

one of a load that got away

 

Only because Freeman left. The success of the managers is irrelevant. They had the same situation, treated it similarly, and the different outcome is due to the players themselves and the situations. How is that in any way a criticism of LJ.

 

SHODIPO, QPR winger leaves for Port Vale

 

Alex Ferguson success is relevant to Manchester United. It is irrelevant in the context of BCFC.

Outcomes and consequences are how things are measured.

Lee Johnson is failing dismally at BCFC particularly in the area of man management - Players leaving, players out of form players regressing.

 

Not sure about these posts Rob.

No different? Similarly? Exact same thing?
Are not the same and Rooney got a 60% pay rise.

 

Okay maybe not exactly the same. Fact is, player unhappy, manager ostracised him, yet SAF gets praised and LJ gets slated.

I'm sorry, LJ has many faults, but you're all just after a stick to beat him with now. There's literally zero evidence to support the fact that he did anything wrong handling that situation.

And Cliftonville on about LJ failing dismally at man management for god's sake. As I said. Find some proof. Lee Tomlin even came out to attack the suggestion.

I'm all for slating LJ don't get me wrong at the moment but it really fecks me off when it's completely made up bollocks with zero evidence. Player wanting to leave does not equal bad man management.

 

IT is amazing ... damn if you do damn if you don't .. fans and posters on here " we do not get any info on what is going on" = " LJ is at fault because he told us what was going on, with whom and why" makes you want to sometimes !

Player wanting to leave does not equal bad man management. it does to the blind

 

If you thought that Tomlin interview was genuine then this conversation might as well end. There was no sincerity in that at all. If there's no problem there between the two, why do we need an interview to confirm that. When is the last time that a player has released a press interview to tell us all how much he loves the manager at Bristol City.

There has been dozens of rumours players fighting with the manager, of McIndoe fighting with GJ after a Plymouth game, Trundle finally losing it after being constantly bullied by GJ, Orr, Basso, both falling out with GJ over LJ being given a 15k a week contract renewal and them being. Never did any of those constant so say rumours ever warrant a statement to the press supposedly. So why this time? I think it's because it's clear for us all to see Tomlin has disdain for LJ and it's embarrassing to the manager and in his typical amateur managerial way has said "you go out and say you love me or I'll bury you in the reserves for 2 years". There's never smoke without fire, these issues exist in football and everywhere, why do we have to pretend they get on like a house on fire when they don't?

 

amazing "more openness wanted" and when it is given it is lambasted as pants on fire ... some on here wont be happy if we won 8 on the trot,

 

The teams performance? Individuals performance? Players improving?

Bristol City is a club with serious problems.

I have not made up Mr Johnsons comments. I do not think it is contentious to cast doubt upon how the psychology would work in a positive manner. Luke Freeman was dropped from the team for exercising the right not to sign a contract extension. Mr Johnson them whined when the player reacted negatively to being asked to play when he was still exercising the right not to sign a contract extension.

"I don't want you to play?"

"Ok I won't, I'm off!"

Comedy player management.

 

are you on LSD?

 

At present there is no not one team worse than City in the division. That's ****ing dismal.

Looks like Johnson made a pigs arse of handling Freeman. A player who never looked like he would rock the boat at City.

 

Another one who thinks he's a psychologist. I'm sorry but the entire post above is based on opinion and your 'analysis', which, forgive me for doing, I'll ignore.

But the same could be attributed to SAF! The performances I completely agree with, but there's nothing to suggest it's down to 'man management', unless you're using the term so loosely so as to encompass all aspects of training and tactics into it. You're talking about something irrelevant (or at least for the purposes of the discussion i.e. Tomlin v LJ) so try sticking to the point if you want to try and make one.

 

Completely agree about the first sentence I'm not disputing that.

It's the second line I dispute as there's zero evidence to support it. And I would say every single manager in the football league has had to deal with something similar, and has had players leave. Every. Single. One.

As I say, criticise LJ all you like, I'm not defending him as a whole, it's an absolute shambles. But the Freeman saga isn't a fair criticism at all, and we have to be fair.

 

Every manager in the land has similar issues but don't chuck things about in the media. Lee Johnson looks weak and confused the evidence was Lee said he didn't want him to play, was not going to play until her signed a contract then u turns and wants him in v Burnley. Thats what happened. Bitter and confused, Forget Alex Fergsuon he could do what he wants got the cups, got the the players RESPECT and club millions to back it up. Bristol City should keep disputes in house shambles on shambles off the pitch.