Off Topic Lord Mayor

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Gone For A Walk said:
I think the issue is that you and a couple of others on here are just so far out of touch with what a groundswell of the general public believe and feel.

Of course Brexit hasn't been delivered in the way most of the people voting for it wanted, nor the way it could have been. Of course illegal immigration could be halted (or, to be technically correct, at least kept to minimal levels, there will always be a trickle obviously); not that the focus should be kept putting back near enough soley on this one topic, as important and scandalous as it is.

The support for Reform (real change) is no longer a small minority that the lazy stereotypical insults of denial and dismissal can be thrown at. It's across ages, sexes, intellect, class, backgrounds, and it's for FAR more reason than just the lazily trotted out lines previously used.

That groundswell is rapidly increasing and hopefully continues until the rotten 2 party politics and the 'establishment' of recent decades is replaced and overhauled. What I suspect we'll now see is Starmer and Badenoch (or whoever replaces her) shift their positions and 'principles' in a bid to simply survive. That might not be a bad thing if it changes things in this country toward what Reform (read 'growing swathes of the general public') want to see happen, but it isn't really the right answer as, like with Brexit, with many of them like Starmer it's not what they really want.

This week could well prove to be a turning point for Reform, and a tipping point in politics generally, as the public see that Reform have moved from being what some saw as a pesky nuisance to being a proper, serious alternative that can actually replace what we've suffered. As the saying goes, you need to 'wake up and smell the coffee' of why there's this groundswell of support. Don't just dismiss it, but understand it and accept it's for real; hopefully it now becomes a tidal wave.
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Reform don’t have any form of credible policy. How on earth is it real change? They have nothing outside of “stopping the boats”
 
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Trumpton Tiger. said:
How would you describe the political landscape of this country since Boris was chased out of office then? Hardly stable is it? New Government nine months into power and the country has already turned against them? Brexit was about gaining control of our borders and Sovereignty, and the Leave campaign won, but sadly the Remainers wouldn't and haven't accepted the result of the democratic vote. So who is it who is trying to rewrite history?
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Boris chased out of office? And you’re asking who is rewriting history? Boris and his cabinet should all be in prison
 
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NewcastleTiger said:
Boris chased out of office? And you’re asking who is rewriting history? Boris and his cabinet should all be in prison
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Boris had a birthday cake and should be in prison - arf - Rayner fiddled her tax return, Reeves lied on her cv, Lammy thinks a man can have a Cervix and Starmer accepted £100k in gifts for access to Parliament to someone he was caught on cctv with
 
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Trumpton Tiger. said:
How would you describe the political landscape of this country since Boris was chased out of office then? Hardly stable is it? New Government nine months into power and the country has already turned against them? Brexit was about gaining control of our borders and Sovereignty, and the Leave campaign won, but sadly the Remainers wouldn't and haven't accepted the result of the democratic vote. So who is it who is trying to rewrite history?
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Those seem entirely different points and questions.

I’m not rewriting history when I said Brexit wasn’t about reducing the numbers of ‘illegal’ immigrants, because unless I’ve missed something there was nothing we couldn’t do before Brexit about it that we could do after it, and actually Brexit was always going to reduce our options to deal with it because it removed the option to send them back to the EU country they came from. I suppose technically that wasn’t a given but it was pretty obvious and was widely predicted prior to the vote.
Or have I missed something on that?

Brexit was about taking control of our borders from legal, at the time, immigration from EU countries though. Absolutely the case, although not what you said, and we have done that. EU people can’t simply move here…you won.

I don’t know any remainers who haven’t accepted the result. It happened. They might not like it, but you can’t not accept it’s happened.

Not sure what the stability of the country now has to do with my original point? It’s less stable.
There’s a good argument that it’s less stable because of Brexit, but again that wasn’t my point.

You said it was about stopping illegal immigration. I said it wasn’t and explained why.

Can you explain why it was?
 
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Personally

I wish we imported a lot of 25-35 year old australian women
 
Charon said:
Boris had a birthday cake and should be in prison - arf - Rayner fiddled her tax return, Reeves lied on her cv, Lammy thinks a man can have a Cervix and Starmer accepted £100k in gifts for access to Parliament to someone he was caught on cctv with
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No they should be in prison for funnelling public funds in the billions to their pals. Keep your head in the sand thinking Reform have your interests at heart
 
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NewcastleTiger said:
No they should be in prison for funnelling public funds in the billions to their pals. Keep your head in the sand thinking Reform have your interests at heart
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And Blair should be serving time for taking this country into an illegal war based on lies which kick started the present chaos in the Middle East and all this 'persecution' the illegal immigrants are fleeing from.
 
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NewcastleTiger said:
Reform don’t have any form of credible policy. How on earth is it real change? They have nothing outside of “stopping the boats”
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And there you go. What an utterly ridiculous, uninformed, tone deaf and blind statement. You absolutely prove a point in my post.
 
NewcastleTiger said:
https://x.com/luke11campbell/status/1905320009984782755?s=46

The community note is very damning. He has no clue what he’s signed up for
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To be fair to him I think he’s actually partially right here, even if he was presenting it as something else, and the community note is at least partially wrong.

The Mayor can raise a precept (so directly increase your tax, and I think collected through your Council Tax in the same way the Police precept is) which they can then spend on things like delivering their Transport Plan.

I think saying he wouldn’t works well to get elected, but then means he has one less tool in his armoury to deliver what he says he will deliver.

I’m less sure about Business Rates though. I don’t think they can raise them but I haven’t really looked.
 
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Trumpton Tiger. said:
And Blair should be serving time for taking this country into an illegal war based on lies which kick started the present chaos in the Middle East and all this 'persecution' the illegal immigrants are fleeing from.
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Youre honestly whats wrong with the whole political system

What the **** does blair have to do with anything being discussed


Politics like a football team

Both should be jailed
But talk about avoiding the subject
 
Trumpton Tiger. said:
And Blair should be serving time for taking this country into an illegal war based on lies which kick started the present chaos in the Middle East and all this 'persecution' the illegal immigrants are fleeing from.
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Both things can be true (I know you said ‘and’, so you’re saying the same…this is meant for others)
 
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