Looks like Poyet for the Mackems...

Can't really get why people are so far up Hoddle's arse, considering football has moved on since that dinosaur roamed the league. Poyet is a much better choice, considering he was doing well with the new breed of tactics. However, I do think it's just like for like replacement, and utterly pointless if the goal is simply to stay up. He's a long-term appointment, and must be given the long-term, whatever the short-term consequences.

Very much unlike Pardew, who fumbles from one season to the next without a vision or plan for the playing style and staff, just a "hope we stay up" attitude.

 

I think we'll be in te 12th-15th bracket. Sunderland to scrape through in 16th or 17th.

 

Hoddle is a genius. He has kept in touch with football too, and he was already playing a more progressive style than most 15 year ago. His record is pretty darn good. He even made Gullit and Vialli look like they could manage. Chelsea's progression was built on the foundations he put in place along with Romans millions. Swindon, Southampton, England all benefitted. Only really his beloved Spurs and Wolves turned sour but there were mitigating reasons for both. Massive shame he was lost to our game. But then, that's England all over isn't it. Fighting hard to stay behind the times.

 

It's now confirmed... But only a 2 year contract again...


http://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2013/october/new-head-coach

 

He's kept in touch? As a pundit? Let's get Souness back then shall we?!

The last anybody heard of Hoddle doing anything in football, was the training camp he set up for Premier League rejects, which had absolutely zero success.

He had f*** all to do with Chelsea's success, because they were mid-table guff before Roman's billions, and he was long gone by the time that came a long anyway...

The fact he's consistently overlooked in favour of other has-beens is a pretty telling fact. And personally I'd rather not have anyone in the game who's so monumentally thick as to say what he said about the disabled. The guys a loudmouthed ****head, who luckily stumbled from job to job, until he was shown up for the **** he is, and now he can only embarrass himself on a sofa each weekend.

 

I see some Mackems are already saying GP is a proven winner etc..... And will do this and that....
Last time I looked he hasn't managed in the prem yet....

 

Have to say I think they have chosen well. Can he keep them up? Maybe. Much will depend on what happens between now and December. If they get to the Norwich game with less than 10 points I think they will struggle. Its easy to point to fixture lists etc but that is a big ask. The game against us is their best chance of a win but they will need to either upset some big guns at home and find some away form.

 

Hope the Mackems stay up mind, I like the banter.
I can see so many parallels with PDC.... Including Ellis only giving him a short contract I'm getting that Déjà Vu feeling here....

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Your history is not the best is it? He had plenty to do with Chelsea's success. He began the process of turning that mid table guff into something else. He changed the whole culture of the club and brought some world class talent to them. They reached an FA Cup final and Semi Final and Cup Winner Cup semi final under his 3 year stewardship. Domestic cup success is a good starting point. He sorted out their academy and infrastucture, got them moving in the right direction. What happened after he left? He left them with the basis of a very very good squad. They went onto to about 6 top 6 finishes in the following seasons, won FA Cup, League Cup, Cup Winners Cup, UEFA Super Cup, Charity Shield, all before Roman arrived . I'm afraid the assertion of of mid table guff prior to Roman's arrival is wrong. The culture of success was well established.

As for being overlooked for jobs. You don't really know that though do you? You don't know how many jobs he has turned down (said to be around 30 odd but who knows). He decided to do something else football related rather than management. He went down the coaching route. His academy clearly wasn't a raging success but he got 15 or so kids back into professional football. He has still been involved with football though hasn't he, coaching and being a pundit.

England have never looked the same since we lost him. As for his comments on the disabled. They are clearly pure lunacy, but each to their own crazy beliefs. Is it that much more crazy than believing some book (with its own share of nutter views) written 2000 and odd years ago is still relevant today with all we know? Probably not yet we don't get on at others who hold such beliefs. We certainly wouldn't sack them for it.

Comparing him to Souness is clearly silly but amusing nonetheless. As is stumbling from job to job. If stumbling is one success to another with a great philosphy all the while, then give me the stumbler.

 

chelsea had just reached the champions league spot the season before roman spent big.
They had the spine le bouf,lampard, jimmy floyd h.

This all started from hoddle a few seasons before






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He's kept in touch? As a pundit? Let's get Souness back then shall we?!

The last anybody heard of Hoddle doing anything in football, was the training camp he set up for Premier League rejects, which had absolutely zero success.

He had f*** all to do with Chelsea's success, because they were mid-table guff before Roman's billions, and he was long gone by the time that came a long anyway...

The fact he's consistently overlooked in favour of other has-beens is a pretty telling fact. And personally I'd rather not have anyone in the game who's so monumentally thick as to say what he said about the disabled. The guys a loudmouthed ****head, who luckily stumbled from job to job, until he was shown up for the **** he is, and now he can only embarrass himself on a sofa each weekend.[/QUOTE]

 

Rinsed by 2010Tops now JPF. Its not looking good

 

I would have loved him at SJP and I think he will do a good job at SOS.

 

Will they give him time though Lady E? They are developing a bit of a hire and fire policy to rival Fat Freds.

 

To far tony !!!





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I want your prediction for us fella. Come on put your neck on the block.

 

Bottom 5, don't know in which order, I stated last night reasons to why it could go either way

 

Mate, if you're saying that's in anyway a guage of success, even as a Toon fan, let's all hail Wigan, Birmingham, Bradford City as the top clubs in the game!!!! They actually got closer to winning, or actually did win something. Also, your terms would make Moyes more than a "genius". Chelsea were nothing before the billions. Just another club over-reaching themselves to break the top 4, not managing it, and ready to fall by the wayside. Their best players were all stolen from the West Ham set-up!!! That shows you how **** their youth system was before they started buying every tricky winger aged 5 from the backwaters of Eastern Europe.

He defo didn't have success everywhere he went. You've already pointed to several instances where it went sour.

And let's talk about England... What exactly did he achieve? Nothing. He probably had a much better squad than this generation, and he did nothing with it. And before we go on about win percentages, which are worthless given the level of the international game and the opponents these teams face, let's remember dear old Fabio had a better one...

Really good player, horribly overrated manager, terrible narcissist, and woeful pundit.

 

I can't believe the best argument for Hoddle being a "genius", is "look what happened after he left the club"... Creating a nice little loophole for when Pardew f***s off and we mysteriously start doing better

 

Depends if he keeps them up.
Ellis seams a bit like FF likes spending money and as you say firing mangers.

 

So winning the FA Cup, League Cup, Cup Winners Cup, UEFA Super Cup, Charity Shield and achieving 6 top 6 finishes in a row after a period of mid to lower table mediocrity is not relative success? Give me what you're smoking. That all happened before Roman. I'd like a bit of that non success. Of course you look at what happens to a club after someone leaves. Though you can't give him all the credit, the spine of the team he installed and the change in direction continued. He played a big part in getting Chelsea moving in the right direction. Roman bought them because of their location and the minor success they had already achieved. He knew all the cornerstones had starting moving into place. His success there all relative, a bit like Bobby's here. Success always is. He bought them a team that served them well and began making progress in the cups which thye had not seen. That steady progression continued after his reign and then went to the next level when Roman arrived.

He underachieved at maybe Spurs but they still improved a touch under his stewardship. Wolves is the only non success he has had. However he was only there for a season and finished 7th with a relegated team. Not a success but certainly no disaster. He has pretty much been a success and improved side wherever he has been.

His England were the best to watch in my lifetime. He did have a good generation of players and he got the maximum out of them. The fact is we weren't good enough to win and never have been in the last 30 odd years. That's the uncomfortable truth for England fans. Id' rather have watched him with the likes of Beckham's, Gerrards, Lampards etc at their peak than what we were served. England were great to watch under him. They've been **** to watch ever since.

I find him very interesting to listen to as a pundit. Quite technical like Neville, but I don't mind someone with a bit of actual knowledge expressing a view. I don't find him at all narcissitc. Though he'd have every reason to with elegant play, brilliant managment, beautifully tanned skin and lovely flowing locks.