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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by mussiesredhat, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. originallambrettaman

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    The total tax burden of the royal family currently stands at 51p per person, per year.

    The amount the royal family generate as a tourist attraction is hard to gauge.

    But as someone who owns a central London store which generates over 60% of it's income coming from foreign visitors, I hope the old dear carries on as long as possible.
     
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  2. DMD

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    The Royal Family is also one of the few UK industries that make a profit for UKplc without which our tax would go up.
     
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  3. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

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    Lovely family....one to be admired.

    Prince John
    by Brenda Ralph Lewis

    An old family album among the effects of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor sold at auction in Paris last February, brought to light a lost and forgotten royal - Prince John, the last child of King George V and Queen Mary. John was lost because he died when he was only thirteen, and forgotten because it happened a long time ago, in 1919, when the survival of children, even in royal families, could not be guaranteed.

    Nearly eighty years after his untimely death, however, Prince John gained half a page in the newspapers with a photograph of him taken in 1915, probably by his eldest brother, Later King Edward VIII and afterwards Duke of Windsor. The picture showed a typical 9-year old of the time, wearing the sailor suit which was practically a uniform among royal children of his generation and bearing a close resemblance to his second brother, the future King George VI. The eyes are undoubtedly those of their father - pale, a little rheumy and heavy-lidded.

    In the annals of 20th century royal history, Prince John has always been a shadowy figure. More often, he has hardly rated more than a passing mention. There is a logical , if brutal, reason for this. John was the unfortunate royal child who was not 'quite right' and being so, had to be hidden away from public view . In the scant references to him in royal biographies, John is often classed as an epileptic, but there was much more wrong with him than that.

    Prince John was born on 12 July 1905 and at first appeared to be a normal child Unlike his rather nervous elder brothers Edward, the future King Edward VIII , Albert, the future King George VI, Henry, Duke of Gloucester and George, Duke of Kent, John possessed a happy disposition., and was a plentiful source of the quaint and amusing childish sayings parents love to treasure. But before long, it was clear that John was growing too quickly. By the time he was 12, he could be fairly described as a 'monster boy'. He was already severely epileptic and was therefore subject to a frightening disorder which struck and felled its victims without warning .

    When his parents celebrated their Silver Wedding anniversary on 6 July 1918, six days before his thirteenth birthday, Prince John was notably absent from the family photograph taken at Buckingham Palace for the occasion. Instead, since 1916, he had lived in his own separate establishment, Wood Farm at Wolferton near Sandringham in Norfolk. There, he was cared for by his nurse Mrs. ' Lalla ' Bill and a male orderly, separated from his family and safely out of the public eye.

    Glimpses of John and his carers have been recorded, but they were no more than fleeting impressions of a huge boy being taken out for an airing in the woods close to Wood Farm. He was the Royal Family's sad secret and fortunately, the media of the time, much more reverential than it is today, left the tragic young prince alone.

    There was, in any case, nothing unusual about John's isolated life. in the early part of the 20th century and for some time afterwards, an abnormal child did not elicit sympathy. An epileptic like John was regarded as mentally unbalanced and a shame on his family - all the more so because his was the Royal Family. At that time, epilepsy was seen as untreatable. There were certainly no drugs to control it. John's parents therefore faced the danger that their youngest son might have an epileptic fit in public where dozens, maybe scores of people could see his plight - and theirs - and the newspapers, however reverentially they might report it.

    To the touchy-feely, care in the community, equal rights for the disabled world of today, shutting John away appears cruel and unfeeling. It was, in fact, the only recourse open to his parents, given the social mores of the time. Isolation also had benefits for John himself, releasing him from the rigours of being royal and therefore, in a sense, public property. His life, for however long it lasted, could be sheltered and serene and there is some evidence that his happy nature was unaffected by his condition. He was not nicknamed 'the Imp' for nothing. His favourite game was playing soldiers, with a wooden sword and a paper hat on his head. Queen Mary probably spent more time with him than she did with her other children, and John's charm was said to lighten her distress when she visited him at Wood Farm. Queen Mary was nowhere near as cold and unfeeling as she has often been depicted and though she was always reticent about it, John's early death struck her hard and deep.

    Neither of his parents were there when John died in the early hours of 18 January 1919. Death came too suddenly. At 5.30 am, the telephone rang at Buckingham Palace. Mrs. Bill was on the line, telling the Queen that John had had a severe fit and could not be woken up. . It was not unexpected. Since John turned thirteen in July 1918, the fits had grown worse and more frequent. Now, six months later, he was dead.

    Despite the hour, King George and Queen Mary immediately drove down to Sandringham and Wood Farm., to find Mrs. Bill 'heartbroken but resigned' and the dead boy lying as if asleep on his bed.

    'Little Johnnie looked very peaceful ...' the Queen wrote later. 'He just slept quietly in his heavenly home, no pain, no struggle, just peace for the little troubled spirit.'

    John was buried on 21 January in the graveyard at Sandringham Church, in what his mother described as a very private ceremony. From there on, the lost prince passed out of royal history and public ken to re-emerge briefly eighty years later though only as a faded photograph in an old album found during a house clearance.
     
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  4. Hank Scorpio

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    We'd still have to pay all that in taxes for the Royal Families' replacement.

    Plus we's have to keep the royal palaces & castles up to standard as tourist attractions.

    And we'd lose all our heritage, prestige and image world wide. Republicanism is a ****e idea.
     
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  5. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

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    Er...not if we took their considerable wealth off them!
     
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    the french royal family bring greater prosperity to france than the 'Britsh' (or German or Greek or wherever they come from) ever do to Britain.
     
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    I repeat: "the french royal family bring greater prosperity to france than the 'Britsh' (or German or Greek or wherever they come from) ever do to Britain."
     
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    Someone (allegedly) making a greater profit than another profit making business is hardly a good argument for scrapping it.
     
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    I repeat: "the french royal family bring greater prosperity to france than the 'Britsh' (or German or Greek or wherever they come from) ever do to Britain."
     
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    there' no doubting the first two words of your reply. <ok>
     
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    so where is the 'logic' of keeping it? what purpose does it serve?
     
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    The French haven't got a royal family have they?

    I thought they all had their heads chopped off in the 1790's?
     
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    and since then, their palaces and history bring in more wealth than ours do with the heads in tact
     
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    you mean it hasnt been nuked already ? having spent the last few weeks in Elephant and Castle I was sure the whole place was a wasteland where the only survivors were either Polish or Nigerian :)
     
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    Apart from symbolising the history of the systems and cultures much of the world still aspires to, bringing in trade and tourism and keeping great chunks of our heritage intact for future generations to enjoy?
     
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  16. DMD

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    Places tend to be named after notable landmarks. London has icons like Red bridge, Mill wall, Shepherds Bush and Leather head.:emoticon-0111-blush
     
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    having worked in the rest of the world extensively myself, have you recently spoken to these people who supposedly aspire to our country? try it some time you may get your deluded view blown apart!!!
     
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    The Queen has gifted the palaces to the nation, she no longer owns them, we do.

    They generate an enormous income, which we all benefit from.

    The French are ****s and deserved to have their heads cut off(not just the royalty, but everyone who live in Paris).





    There's an awful lot of ill-educated small minded nonsense on this thread.
     
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    Total leftist rubbish, that has no ****ing place on any football forum. Plastic socialists do my head in. Football is not the domain of the old working class, it actually never was. Odd isn't it that the hero of the left is fighting his former employers so that he is kept in the manner that he was used to when in power.
    This thread had nothing to offer and should be stopped.
     
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    I've spent 28 years travelling regularly to Hong Kong, I've got an office in New York, I've spent months in China, New York, Las Vegas and Oporto, in addition I've done business in India and Turkey and I there's **** all deluded about the regard in which I believe my country is held.
     
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