this is baloney.... 1. your technical comittee is pie in the sky 2. do you seriously think scouts would be looking at downing ala FM? 3. the REALITY of a "technical committee" is that is it is a sop to the manager who mouthed off big time in his very first press conference. A REAL technical committee would be the manager and his direct assistant, the chief scout, the club secretary (in the old days who would do the moeny side) and just maybe a coach or two.... now we all know this is not how it works at chelsea for example where abramovich latches onto just about any old idea spouted and makes it happen or better sings anyone who's scored against his side if he can.... yet they bough edin hazard who the world and their mother knew was class for 2-3 years now. LFC have an academy head, hiring the very very best young players we can... shouldn't he sit on any technical comittee? LFC have a manager to run said group and he's got his assistant to tell him he's crazy or not just throw in the cheif scout (whomever is fashionable ala this man city link we had) and then decide if ayre should be doing contracts or no... simple isn't it? honestly a 10mil a year real madrid manager and two former barca coaches plus a former barca coach plus a legendary ex player who's managing another team really would make some technical committee... its be hilarious to watc the egos at work... what and IDEA!!!! I'd not mind but the point you make about someone saying downing is worth x is kind of moot when we then pay Y..... in the end the guys have every right to sign up who they want as they got the bullet for the error... as should rodgers if assaidi and no forward power (borini at 11mil) comes back to haunt him with an other 8th place finish in rodgers first full year.... you can't be saying kenny deserved this or that then say rodgers deserves time and its contradictory... better simply to say FSG are just making it up as they go along.
1. It was a joke, clearly those mentioned wouldn't have a part, it was hypothetical based on some big names, those could be behind the scenes people that we've never heard about. 2. I don't know what else they based their signing off of? What other justification could you muster to explain paying so much for someone that we could tell wasn't worth 16m? 0 goals, 0 assists, for all the blame on Carroll equal blame goes onto him. A lot of people, myself included, knew that this was a signing that shouldn't even be considered a year ago. 3. The reality is that we don't know the reality, unless you are BR in disguise. Did we ever say who it would be on the committee? For all we know it might be BR, Pep Segura, Rodolfo Borrell and Ian Ayre, not changing anything. Chelsea can't really be used as a measure for anything, since they are subject to the whims of one man (what a technical committee could avoid). Sure they get Hazard, but they also bought Torres (who despite every 3 games being reborn has yet to repay a fifth of his fee). LFC have an excellent academy head. Yes he should sit on the committee. For all we know he might. I'd like to see that. Also, yes what you described is simple. SO WHY DIDN'T WE SIGN ANYONE? There was a mistake in the chain of command, and the whole club suffered for it. Having a general committee to oversee transfers ensures productivity and not trying to sign anyone and their mother on the last day. Don't for a moment think that I wanted Mourinho, Rijkaard, Bergistan, or Hyypia on that committee. I was just trying to insert some humour into that post. It was purely hypothetical and not FM wishes. The "as long as they take a bullet" argument is silly, because then every year we'd have a managerial merry-go round because we signed X for Y when he was worth Z. Also, Kenny didn't deserve to be sacked for his signings, had he been blessed with a group of intelligent advisors and not Damien Comolli I feel as if we'd be singing a very different tune this year. And you can simply say whatever pops into mind, I put faith in a management that is trying to fix mistakes as opposed to many owners out there in the world of football.
Nice reply Frank and certainly I agree that we need a hands on General manager or CEO, but thats still a seperate agrument from the one I am talking about.
Its a wonderful post Danilo and I appreciate the effort you have put into it! Whilst the description of the traditional role of A DOF is interesting it is irrelevant to the srgument really because the DOF can be anything you want it to be. It does not have to conform to the norm in its role or the tasks that a DOF undertakes! In my opinion the technical committee is just a new decription of what already exists in clubs across the world, Rodgers still gets the final say, only now his decisions are challenged by more people who inevitably though will bow down to his seniority.
What we need is some leadership and accountability. Whether that it's in the form of a 'Technical Committee' as well as a CEO ....? Justice for the 96
also sorry but the org chart shown in picutre 3 of what you propose henry is trying to do if in anyway true is totally and utterly chaos with too many laeyers and too many ways for guys to stab each othe ri nthe back. frankly the reality needs to start being talked about. that had 3 key things, non top 4 wages, non top 4 transfer fees and the apparent need for every signing to work is driving us towards a smaller squad again, one where we are trying to offload anyone on high wages unless they are total acheivers (not bad you might say)... no matter what strucutre an organisation works by SOMEONE picks a list of 5 players and goes after them... at chelsea it seems to be abramovich to decides based on what games he might see when he's interested. he has his own team of guys who whisper in his ear and dimatteo aint invited... at utd ferguson can buy 10 players to get the 5 hits cos of his unique position. at arsenal it seems wenger sits atop a scouting network dedicated to the managers whims. Whats at LFC? well it aint chelsea style owners picking fashionable names and guys who might impress them.... it doesn't seem to be rodgers at the top either... so it seems to me that amateur hour is in effect. For me there's a wage budget overall set for the revenues we have, a transfer budget that is not just cart blanche but an amount thats in the managers right to spend and an amount to be applied for (say even here's 10-20mil and we've a 25mil pot here that if you convince us a special player is available for us for example) if a manager knows he can pay anohter 500k per week he's quids in cos he can buy 5 top players if he can find them. if he can only pay another 50k per week then he knows he's got to shift some guys. Rodgers I'd hope is doing this NOT some committee or ian ayre... cos if rodgers in his wisdom decided joe cole is wort his 90k per week its his right and it doesn't matter a damn what us fans think. but... but if some behind the scenes clown like purslow decdied to saddle a manager with cole at that wage or then the next faceless clown decided that someone had to go no matter what and we see carroll vanish down to upton park to balance books... well we'd on the road to nowhere. we need football decisions made for football reasons, each decision even if its financially motivated must be based on football. so... want to keep joe cole... fair enough.. those wages are not available for signings. want to get shut of carroll fine as long as you've the guys to score the goals! it should ALL be on rodgers cos in the end he;s the guy for the chop
Agreed. There has to be a bridge between the management and the owners, a direct line. I'm anti ''Director of Football' as the final say must lie with the manager. The manager needs a ''fixer'' that will speak on his behalf to the owners, and say ''The manager feels he needs x, will you provide the funds?''. They will discuss it, and if the need is deemed to be genuine then the board will back it. However, I cannot for the life of me ever see Brendan Rodgers make meaningless requests to the owners. The three signings he's made fulfilled a need. He needed another to add to the attack, because he lost 3 experienced forwards. Kuyt, Bellamy and Maxi. Tom Werner himself said, Andy Carrolls future lay in the hands of Brendan Rodgers. He said he would back any decision 100%. There was a need for 1-2 forwards to add to the attack to add to the numbers. This was requested, but for a lack of communication, this never came off. Hopefully with better communication, any genuine requests the manager makes will be granted by the owners.
Of course I believe that Rodgers should have the right to a first and final say on transfers, and his targets should be priorities. But a committee of intelligent footballing minds is better than a committee of only Ian Ayre! I know he's not really a scout or a negotiator or a DOF but that's his current role (until he's sent back to the commercial department hopefully). It didn't really work. Ian doesn't have the intricate technical knowledge of footballers, and neither do John Henry or Tom Werner. The only people who know anything about football are Brendan Rodgers, Pep Segura (unless he actually left as was reported), Rodolfo Borrell and that's it. Two of those aren't involved in first team scouting and that leaves BR with a massive role. His assistant manager isn't there to help him with targets, he's there for other roles and this leaves so much responsibility resting on the shoulders of one man that things are bound to go wrong. And go wrong they have. While BR made the conscious decision, debatable as it may be to offload Andy Carroll, it was his desire to find a replacement. Alone, and left very late, this then fell upon Ian Ayre, who isn't a DoF. We failed to get a replacement and our season has taken an immediate nosedive. I think that BR is a technically gifted manager who can pull us out of our woes but in the future, he needs a group of people to help out with signings. Barcelona have these groups, Real have them too. It doesn't mean that BR isn't important or being ignored, it just means that if BR comes in on the first day and says: "I want a striker" it won't be left to one person on the last day to get a 29 year old attacking right midfielder for that position. It means that the first day, a number of people well-versed in all aspects of European football can propose ideas: tall, short, versatile, one-dimensional battering ram, fast, good movement, slow, powerful shot, whatever BR wants. Then they identify targets together (first and final say goes to BR) and go and get their man early. These people probably have a much better relationship with more agents, know many young players, bring a sense of stability to the club with big names, etc. A committee wouldn't stab each other in the back, this isn't the ancient Roman senate - it's a group of well-paid technical minds who are going to be professional. I don't think it would be a clash of minds, just a pool of opinions. It's not going to be overly complicated MITO (though your concerns are good, if it were too complicated we'd probably end up being ****ed). It's just extra, second opinions for BR to discuss his plans with.
This is the best post made on this thread. I'll tell you why, if Brendan had a number of people to assist him primarily with transfers, it would make his jiob easier. He could have say 4 people bringing him information on a number of targets, all parties discuss the pros and cons of each target and then a final decision is made. Everything is taken into account ie price, age, chances of getting x player. This is all done when Brendan says for example he wants a striker, or a keeper. The one of the parties is a ''fixer'' and when they have the deal set up, the manager ratifies it/ finalises it.
Exactly! That's a great word for it, "fixer". We need someone who is assertive, calls up teams to enquire, ask about prices. We need to get that aura of "if we want them, we get them" back. What happened this summer is that with the scouts gone, all the scouting work was left to BR, and I'm sure those countless hours he would have preferred to have spent on the training ground or communicating with his players. It's going to be a committee answering to BR, not the other way around.
This is the part you still haven't got. 1/2 of the said committee has been already been appointed by Brendan Rodgers. He sourced his two scouts and has appointed them himself. The other appointments will be made on the say so of Brendan Rodgers. Danilo. Spot on mate. That was the point I was making and you are 100% correct, the commitee will answer to Brendan Rodgers and not the other way around, all of whom will answer to the owners. However it will be the commitee when Brendan Rodgers makes a request, that will be in contact with the owners.
I thought the scouts were already on their way here prior to Brendan joining? Fair enough - if BR asked for them, then he must have faith in their ability which is good news.
