Lita must start next game ,if only for team spirit and moral. DG will get his chance again and will be important for us as will be luke moore who showed some fantastic touches yesterday . What Lita and Moore seem to have that DG doesnt is that little bit of guile in and around the box , they both linked up well with sinclair and their little one twos were very close to coming off and creating goals. Graham doesnt seem to have that but i think he has other qualities that we are going to need over the season . Lita deserves to start next game,he did in one game what DG failed to do in 4 , score a goal! DG will come good for us but we have to play the guy that looks like he has the goals in him right now
The basic facts are Graham had 4 games and didn't put the ball away, and Lita got scored and got an assist on his first start... I know, in reality it isn't as simple as that but surely it's illogical to drop a striker who comes in and does the job in his first game for a player who doesn't have that edge at the moment. Whether or not Graham would have scored against WBA is an impossible debate, he could have, but Lita definitely did.
It had to be done I'm afraid and it was unfortunate that Danny failed a fitness test that allowed Leroy to have a start. even when fit Danny must start on the bench and bring him on as and when, the pressure is off Danny now and he will start scoring soon. dobbie is not premiership class and Brendan is right not playing him and will probably get a game if we don't have any choice......We have to play our best players and dobbie is down the pecking order....
Agree about dobbie. He hasnt had much of a chance but looks way off the pace of the prem when he has come on,we cant expect all of the squad to make the step up but ive been pleasantly suprised by how many have looked comfortable at this level, dobbie doesnt look like one of those just yet though.
Bloody hell, how can you say that when he's played all of 10 minutes? Unfortunately you're not alone. Pisses me off no end. The only full game he's played was at Man City and none of our players covered themselves in glory apart from Vorm. Dobbie won us the playoff final almost single handed and in my opinion hasn't been given much of a chance in the Prem as yet. Yet Routledge, who hasn't scored in 103 appearances plays ahead of him. I'm baffled but have to say Rodgers gets very little wrong.
Ditto!! I don't get it too!! The guy was amazing when he established himself last season. Now he's almost yesterday's man!! The guy has hardly had a sniff.....
How can i say that ? quite easily actually ! he has had minutes on the field and you dont need to be a rocket scientist to see that he is off the pace of prem football, he might improve given time of course but your right when saying im not the only one to think this, Brenden rodgers also thinks the same and thats something that is good enough for me Monk actually was the guy i hold responsible for winning that play off game with his outstanding block of a certain goal he is another one that IMO will struggle at this level , if we had a squad full of proven premiership players then we would have been in the top division years ago. There is no shame in saying that some of our squad may not be up to this level, it is my opinion doesnt mean its fact and i would love to see dobbie and monk etc prove me wrong , why we have to beleive some of our players are world beaters because they did well in a lower division last year is beyond me!! I think we have been really lucky in that we have 5-6 that have taken to this level with ease ,some need to grow into it ,some will grow into it and some never will .Time and transfer bids will show us who has cut the mustard in this league. Brenden is a pretty good judge of a player and his selections have so far shown that doobie is on the outside looking in.
agree norway, dobbie was seen to be off the pace but he is a squad player and there are certain players who are better suited at the moment, some have took to the premiership like a duck to water but some need more time to get there, dobbie has to prove himself to Brendan that he has what it takes to step up to the mark and until then he is down the pecking order and rightly so, I hope that he will make the grade as i like the guy but in the meantime he will be a reserve and emergency bit part player.....I'm glad we have him anyway...
I'm not trying to get into this whole debate, but did you (HTR) really suggest Dobbie won the playoff final for us single-handedly? I'm sure I remember Sinclair scoring a hat trick, Dyer getting an assist and winning a penalty, Borini winning a penalty, Williams and Monk making big blocks to keep us in the game... I am fairly tired though so could be making all of this up.
I don't disagree at all, by far the best goal! I just found it a bit odd that he won us the playoff final single-handedly...
No one won anything for us single handed. It was a team effort and everybody contributed. Dobbie's contribution was a great run down the right to create Sinclair's second and an absolutely superb piece of skill to score his own goal. He has a lot to offer. His guile and ability to play the strikers in is proven and he is always looking to test the keeper with a snap shot, so gets a few goals as well. He is a valuable squad player in my opinion and when he gets attuned to the pace of the PL he will do his share for us and the team.
OK let's get this straight. Dobbie's breakaway (started with a neat nutmeg) and cross set up Sinclair for a tap in. Sinclair scored two other pens that were won by others but fair play he took them well with his usual composure. Dobbie's 20 yard volley was made to look easy when it was anything but and was easily the goal of the match. Routledge could not have have taken that chance for all his Prem experience. So yes he did almost win the match for us single handed though others played their part and I am not diminishing their contribution at all. If Dobbie has some serious game time and isn't up to the task (which I seriously doubt) then I'll agree we can judge him but it's simply unfair to do so when he's had such a limited time on the pitch. Oh, and Norway, at the risk of sounding like Daiswan I was dead right about playing Dobbie in behind a lone striker and also about Agustien who I felt should not have been sent out on loan and could really do the business for us when you and others said that he was 'nothing special'.
Even if he did win the playoff final 'single handedly', which he didn't, that doesn't mean he is good enough for a starting place. In my opinion, Dobbie was not that effective last season most of the time, so for him to be effective in the premiership is a big ask. I don't think it's got much do with gametime, I just think he will struggle to make the step up.
Unlike others, think I'll judge Dobbie in the Premier league when he's actually had what you could reasonably call match time. In all fairness to the guy. Everyone saying he's not up to the premier league. Is it the case, he's just not up to 'match-speed' at the moment, not the premier league??!! He can only get that with game time....
will make another of my strange comments as attested to by i think it was swimaway - mr w rooney, man utd hero - when he is good he is gr8 but i have seen him play utter crap, maybe the dobster needs a few decent runs as in starting
"Dobbie was not that effective last season most of the time". Lol. Not many will agree with that. Sorry but that's absolute garbage. Our best goal scorer was Sinclair who got 22 goals, including 9 pens. In second was Dobbie who got 11 goals, no pens. Even if you disagree with my assessment of the Final he was highly influential and had Sinclair not got a hat trick (including 2 pens) Dobbie would have easily got mom. OK, fine. We'll stick with Routledge. 103 appearances and counting with zero goals. Look, you cannot come up with these opinions when you don't know if he can step up. He's had no bloody game time ffs! Norway and others were saying Agustien was "nothing special" last season but now he's been one of our most solid performers this season, as predicted by some Players have to be given a chance and it's up to them to take it or spurn it. Dobbie simply hasn't had a run yet. Judge him when he gets one, that's all I'm saying.
