Possibly one of the hardest men in Salford (which is a pretty rough place) during my life time was eleven stone when he was at the peak of his powers. He used to regularly batter men six or seven stone heavier than him, blokes with reputations too. How did he do it? Because he was the fastest, most vicious and had the most skill (he competed and won in Thai boxing tournaments in Thailand). Lee might have only weighed 10 stone. But striking power is dictated by momentum. Momentum isn't just about mass; it's mass x velocity. Lee may have weighed little more than half of Tyson's weight, but I'd be willing to bet his hands and feet moved at least twice as fast. Ergo, he hit harder. Btw, do you know Lee is dead? Judging by your use of present tense and your irrational aversion to the man, it seems not.
Don't be deluded into thinking just because he's a martial artists that his hands must be lightning. A boxer in general is very fast especially with there hands, as a lot of there training is geared around hand speed as it's very important to a boxer. Even being quick on there feet is very important to them aswell, hence all the skipping. Maybe an actual fighting pro martial artist would have similar speed, but not an unproven fighter like Bruce Lee. More muscle also helps with speed. If Bruce Lee had eaten more food, and got down the gym and put on some muscle mass he'd of likely been faster. Your muscles are what power your body to move, so the bigger they are the faster you can move, this is why all sprinters have muscular physiques, and are always caught out doping to increase there muscle mass. It's like having a bigger engine in your car, the bigger the engine the more power you have to move faster. Muscles are where a man gets his power from. The reason a lot of lighter boxers are faster than heavyweights is because there limbs are smaller and weigh less. They also don't normally get gassed as quickly as a heavyweight, due to being lighter, so they can keep up a faster pace during a fight. A lot of heavyweights also carry a lot of excess fat, as fat helps cushion the blow from hard body shots. As far as the man in Salford you knew, a man 7 stone heavier than an 11 stone guy is a fat ****, and would get his arsed kicked by any fighter in decent shape. All the fat guy can do is sit on him He was obviously a skilled fighter if he won Thai Boxing tournaments, so he's obviously gonna kick the arse of your average bigger guy on the street. But he wouldn't beat another skilled Thai Boxer who was significantly heavier than him, this is why they have weight classes. And yes ofcourse I know Lee is dead, though not sure why that's relevant
You're contradicting yourself here. One minute you're saying bigger muscles equals faster punches, the next you're saying smaller limbs equals faster punches. Make your mind up. (The latter is true by the way. A bodybuilder can have huge muscles but not be able to throw a fast punch.) As for a man being 6 stone heavier than 11st (18st) being fat - seriously? Tyson was only 5'10 and weighed 17.5st So if he was a half stone lighter, he'd be fat? What about a man who is, say, 6'5? Still fat at 18st? You'd better tell the Klitschko brothers and the New Zealand back line to get on a diet You're starting to sound ridiculous mate. All the stuff you've written about Lee is pure conjecture, which you've repeated several times without providing any links or quotes as proof. So I'll treat it with the contempt it deserves. And no, your strange insistence on referring to Lee in the present tense is not relevant. It just makes you sound a little unhinged. Would you say "George Best is a great player,' or "George Best WAS a great player"? Would you say World War 2 IS killing millions? Or that Julius Caesar IS the finest military general in Rome?
I'm not contradicting myself at all, I'm saying that the bigger the muscles you have the faster they will move the body you where born with. Most heavyweights are heavyweights because they are naturally bigger guys. There frames are generally bigger, though you do get exceptions to the rule. Mike Tyson was knowhere near 17 and a half stone when he fought, he was about 15'9 when he was fighting, and he was a genetic elite. Without steroids your not going to find guys with much better physiques than Tyson did at his peak. Your average guy in the street doesn't have the genetics to have a nearly 16 stone muscular physique at 5'10 like Tyson's without the use of steroids. No matter how hard you train in the gym genetics will always be a limiting factor The Klitschko brothers are giants, and they are also genetic elites. This is why they are so dominant at there sport, you can't be a heavyweight world champion boxer if your not a genetic elite in terms of strengh and power. It's like you can't be an NBA basketball player if your 5'5, and you'll never be an Olympic gold medalist at the 100m if your white Genetics are everything in sport. So comparing your average 18 stone hard man in Salford to 2 genetic elites like the Klitschko brothers is stupid. The Klitschko Brothers aren't just gifted in power and strength, they are also 6'6, if you lined thousands and thousands of guys up in the street you'd do well to find even one with similar genetics to them. I have certainly never met any 18 stone guy who I'd say wasn't fat. Even very tall guys are unlikely to get to that weight without piling on the fat, as they just don't have the genetics of the Klitschkos to be 18 stone of mostly muscle. The bodybuilder example is rubbish, as bodybuilders don't throw punches, nor would they practise them, it's like saying a bodybuilder can't throw a javelin as far as a javelin thrower despite being stronger. They don't train on a punch bag for hours and hours, they train to look lean and muscular on stage, and show off there physiques. Mike Tyson was muscular and he trained to throw punches, this is why he could punch hard and fast. If he dieted down and lost some of that muscle, and still trained as a boxer he wouldn't be able to punch as fast, as he would have lost some power. As far as Lee is concerned, you can't name me any prize or even a decent fighter he beat. The man defeated no one Where as I can tell you for a fact Mike Tyson defeated 50 other professional boxers, 44 of them by way of knock out, winning loads of world title fights. They where all against opponents who where getting on for double the size of Bruce Lee too I actually believe it borders on stupidity and childish hero worship to believe Lee an unproven 140 pound fighter could beat Tyson
So Bruce Lee has gone from 150 to 140, and Mike Tyson has dropped from 240 to 219 (15st 9) in just a couple of days. Has Lee's corpse been scavenged by a fox? And has Tyson been on a very quick diet? I can't be arsed arguing with someone who's going to keep changing his tune just to suit his standpoint. I bid you good day.
I was just estimating what I thought there weights might have been early on, I'm not an encyclopedia of knowledge. I had a look though and seen that they where 140 and 222 respectively. Converting pounds to stone is not my strong point either
You do however possess an encyclopedic knowledge of making things up or changing tack to suit your argument. As Jip has implied (More politely than I) you are talking pure unadulterated Keech.
1st dan, which as I've pointed out isn't that high a grade at all. It is the lowest rank for a black belt. There is no such thing as a 10th dan
10 generations of my mate's family have a man named Daniel - as the youngest he calls himself 10th Dan so you're wrong again Einstein
