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It's the only venue close enough to be made a temporary ground while the liberty is getting extended.....What do you find difficult about that.?.....What other venues come close to St Helens can we use.?......Health and safety wont allow us to play at the liberty when building work is going on that's for sure. So again where else do you suggest we can turn into a short term premiership ground ?
 
Taking control of the lease is one thing that I've seen reported & confirmed by the Council.

I've not seen anything (said by the Council or the Swans) about extending the stadium.
 
Extending is a must that has always been on the agenda and the reason to buy the club......Without the prospect of expanding then the stadium is not worth buying and would be a mill stone and an expensive mill stone around the clubs neck.
 
They already own the lease, so do the Ospreys.....you don't make sense ? We are looking to buy the stadium outright so we can develop for the future....the stadium is far too small atm....
 
swanseaandproud said:
It's the only venue close enough to be made a temporary ground while the liberty is getting extended.....What do you find difficult about that.?.....What other venues come close to St Helens can we use.?......Health and safety wont allow us to play at the liberty when building work is going on that's for sure. So again where else do you suggest we can turn into a short term premiership ground ?
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How did Cardiff manage to extend without moving grounds?
 
swanseaandproud said:
They already own the lease, so do the Ospreys.....you don't make sense ? We are looking to buy the stadium outright so we can develop for the future....the stadium is far too small atm....
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The lease is held by SSMC - that company is ownedby the Swans, the Ospreys & the Council.
 
Although expansion is necessary for us, if we want to grow as a club we need to have a sensible business model to limit the cost of the expansion and absorb the growth it generates.

The size of our club means we cant slap an extension onto the Liberty of an extra 15-20k seats. We wouldn't be able to grow fast enough to fill those seats with an extra 15-20k fans each and every week to make that size expansion viable, we're just not that big a club, but there is plenty of scope for us to grow into a bigger club than we currently are.

An increase in the numbers of seats does not mean an increase in profits, all it is means is an increase in potential. The increase in revenue comes directly from the bums on those seats, only occupied seats generate revenue. An empty seat generates loss of revenue and a loss in atmosphere.

So it would help if we thought of capacity as being the maximum number of fans in the stadium and not how many seats it has and the difference between the number of seats and capacity is the deficit.

To increase capacity we increasing the number of fans and the expansion is simply providing then with the seats they need, the fans are already there. We know we can get 5000 more fans to watch each and every home game. We know this from the number of failed applications for season tickets each year and from the number of people unable to buy a tickets for games, so the expansion has to provide seats for these fans, 5000 seats.

When the defect is zero, the number of seats available equals capacity, then we repeat the process, the club controls the growth of the fan base and so the increase in revenue simply by minimising the size of the expansion to match the number of known yet untapped supporters.

Check the queue, give them a seat, more will come, repeat
 
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Stumpy said:
Although expansion is necessary for us, if we want to grow as a club we need to have a sensible business model to limit the cost of the expansion and absorb the growth it generates.

The size of our club means we cant slap an extension onto the Liberty of an extra 15-20k seats. We wouldn't be able to grow fast enough to fill those seats with an extra 15-20k fans each and every week to make that size expansion viable, we're just not that big a club, but there is plenty of scope for us to grow into a bigger club than we currently are.

An increase in the numbers of seats does not mean an increase in profits, all it is means is an increase in potential. The increase in revenue comes directly from the bums on those seats, only occupied seats generate revenue. An empty seat generates loss of revenue and a loss in atmosphere.

So it would help if we thought of capacity as being the maximum number of fans in the stadium and not how many seats it has and the difference between the number of seats and capacity is the deficit.

To increase capacity we increasing the number of fans and the expansion is simply providing then with the seats they need. We know we can get 5000 more fans to watch each and every home game. We know this from the number of failed applications for season tickets each year and from the number of people unable to buy a tickets for games, so the expansion has to provide seats for these fans, 5000 seats.

When the defect is zero then we repeat the process, the club controls the capacity while growing the fan base and increasing revenue through minimising the cost of the expansion.

Build it and they will come, nice sentiment but should have been, check the cue, give them seats and more will come.
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Those 5 thousand fans have a lot less to do with money ( since our money has increased for actually being in the Premier in ratio to what we had for incoming money previous ) and more to do with a louder voice from the crowd , which can mean a lot . Just my opinion .
 
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the roofer said:
Those 5 thousand fans have a lot less to do with money ( since our money has increased for actually being in the Premier in ratio to what we had for incoming money previous ) and more to do with a louder voice from the crowd , which can mean a lot . Just my opinion .
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It all depends where they put the seats and who buys them, not everyone makes some noise and from most areas of the ground it is silent. So it could increase the atmosphere, but not necessarily.
 
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It's easy these days to extend grounds while still useing them. How many extra seats did Liverpool add to the main stand at Anfield while still using the ground. You just build the skeletal shell around the existing as we would need to do this to put another tier on so all the super structure is built, then at closed season take the existing roof off and add in the extra concrete beams for the seating, replace the roof and you can use the stadium again. The additional seating and hospitality areas etc can carry on when the stadium is not in use.

Cardiff did it the same way. (Need to wash my mouth out now!!) :)
 
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