Let's protest FFS !!

[SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious]

Welcome aboard - and echo the others that it was a first good post.

From my perspective you never want to "attack" (for want of a better word), but being stared at whilst some individuals laugh and point was a bitter pill.

Then we have to remember a lot of our fan base don't bother with social media, forums etc. Thry aren't fully aware of minutes from meetings, what the accounts show, or something as innocuous as a fee being agreed for Watt. That's why the club still put out its propaganda as there is an audience that are still consuming it.

 

[West Stand Willy]

, we have to consider relegation to be a deliberately self inflicted act of destruction

That's certainly one scenario and for every poster on here and other sites there's a different scenario.

A lot of people say Fraeye only has so long to save his job or alternatively after the next win his appointment will be announced as permanent.

People say we need to bring players in but the club suggest otherwise.

All these scenarios are developed by logical deduction. However, there is nothing seemingly logical in the way the club is being run. If there's a plan why not tell us? If not, we assume there is no plan, which in itself is illogical.

All we really know is that we really don't know anything apart from deductions from an illogical baseline.

We can also deduce that football isn't the main priority. If you drill down on Bloomberg through Stapix and Duchatelet you'll come to Charlton Athletic Football Company Limited. It shows

Company Overview

Charlton Athletic Football Company Limited owns and operates a professional association football club in London. The company operates a football team. It operates conference and banqueting venues that host events ranging from corporate business meetings and job fairs to parties and weddings in South East London. The company provides hospitality services, including food and drinks; sponsorship and advertising opportunities, various programs, pitch hire and valley tours, and mascot package services; and hosts corporate exhibitions. It offers apparel, including replica products, training T-shirts, hoodies, and jackets for adults and juniors; and knitwear, souvenirs, gifts, DVDs, and other produ...

Without a succesful football team all the incidentals listed above don't have a hope in hell of succeeding. Hospitality packages when we're in the Conference? That's illogical but, hey, what do I know, I'm just drawing conclusions from dodgy data, like the rest of us.

All we really know is that Duchatelet has got to ****-off and bloody quickly.

 

[User deleted as requested]

WSW- I thought we all knew the scenario from the owners perspective. Meire has spelt it out.

RD wants to break the mould, and run a Championship club at neutral cost or, better still, a profit. He wants to do this in two ways-

By developing and selling on home grown Academy players

By using a version of the 'Moneyball System' using stats analysis to identify cheap but high quality players.

There are two main problems with this theory however. RDs system has proved to be utterly sh1te at identifying cheap high quality players (remind me who the Head of Recruitment was....), and throwing Academy players into the team is counterproductive in some cases - Fox, KAG, Kennedy, Charles-Cook, and leads to further fan alienation in others - Gomez. This will be repeated next summer with the sales of Lookman, Cousins and maybe THD.

I don't think there is any doubt as to the Belgians model and intentions, it's just that it will kill Charlton along the way.

 

[SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious]

He doesn't have much interest in football outside of his beloved Truiden - so it just seems very strange to me that he collects football clubs.

And I can't see anything that will change his mind for why he should.

 

[ForestHillBilly]

He doesn't have much interest in football outside of his beloved Truiden - so it just seems very strange to me that he collects football clubs.

And I can't see anything that will change his mind for why he should.

UNless we create an environment which is too hostile for any more Belgians to want to come here.

 

[User deleted as requested]

I see we have only sold 430 for Boxing Day. Fans really voting with their feet.

 

[deleted.....]

Hello all. New member. Some harsh words here about those of us who are apathetic. I can only speak for me personally but hopefully I am typical of the silent majority because enough is enough. My CAFC supporting credentials are pretty solid. As my chosen name suggests I go back to the 80s, my first proper season being the year we left the Valley having been converted to the cause at the Stoke game. The sheer emotion and passion of that day still moves me. On the terrace in the covered end, as a 14 year old boy singing 'you can stick your fcuking selhurst up your arse' while ironically Lennie's shoe string assembled team - Aizlewood, Lee, Pender, Shipley, Johns, Reid, Pearson etc gave us something to be truly truly proud about. I was at St Andrews when Shirtliffe scored twice in injury time (Peakey free kicks) and the pleasurble sprint back to New Street after when the Brum hooligans applauded us through. I leafleted for the valley party, I traveled to most grounds in the country. So forgive a little nostalgia there but I think I have earnt my Charlton stripes. Now I have a young family, a busy work life and while I am fortunate enough to be able to buy a West Stand season ticket as I have done for years, and take it or leave it. Needless today because the fare on the pitch is so consistently tedious there is more leaving it. For me there are more important and challenging things to worry about than Charlton. I am one of those that hasn't got the time or inclination to analyse too deeply. I see a Belgian fella with a weird agenda who despite all the crazy arsed **** he has done saved us from administration and resurrected a crumbling ground. When I go, I do so because its something to do. But on Saturday night I felt sick to my stomach. The penny finally dropped. Don't crucify me for that but the old 'silent majority' don't care enough. Apologies if that is unpalatable and somewhat treacherous to some but that is the reality of the prevailing passive attitude of us - the sleepwalking 8000. We are not bad people or poor fans. We just have a sense of perspective of where it all fits in in life. But finally after two disgraceful results in a week under another disgustingly under qualified manager (who us apathetics were prepared to give a chance)- I am totally bored of this ****. Moreover I am finally angry. I will be joining future demos.

Welcome Peakey, there is always that last straw that breaks the camel's back ... some reach it sooner ..Nick... others take longer fuelled by prawn sandwiches and those little sausages on sticks ..... but... sooner or later it will dawn on the 8,000 that this Belgian is trying to run a business and NOT a football club ...... football is not a business IT IS A PASSION ... with the current structure in european football the only way the Premier League can compete in European Competitions is to keep all the TV money in the PL and bugger the rest of us ... to get in that PL Club you have to lose a lot of money... you can not run a Championship Club at a profit, that is a nonsense but you have to have belief in your club and it's players... presently at Charlton we have neither and it is hurting ... but it is hurting the people who are willing to take action more.. not because they love the Club more but because they understand clearer what could be ... they understand that with more professional people at the helm and 3 or 4 Championship standard players this club COULD be challenging every year for the top 6 places.. we do not want the owner to buy a Premiership team but some wise investments could transform the whole club.

2016 Season Ticket sales are our strongest weapon in my opinion ..... if these fall by 50% the Bubbles will have a lot of explaining to do to the Douche and when his expected losses increase from £5M pa to £10m to £15m that will make his eyes water.

 

[SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious]

It depends on if they sell lookman, THD, JBG and potentially Cousins. Any loss will just be offset by another player sale.

Each of the above could(!) contribute £2M a piece. If lookman continues to impress then he could perhaps double in value (taking patrick Roberts fee in to consideration). That unfortunately means another season where cost/loss will be running almost parallel. It's basically their answer to pretty much anything - sell.

 

[CAFCAlex]

I've had enough.

Luckily for me I have gone away for Christmas, so I will miss the Wolves & Forest games. I also decided to give the Bolton game the swerve, so I have no idea if anyone showed up to protest before that one?

However, the last game I attended was the Leeds game and the pre-match protest was pitiful. Fair play to those (including myself) that did show up. I also echo the other comments regarding the wasters looking down with their beers from the west stand concourses - it's the gutless idiots like these that have contributed to me making the decision to give up attending.

I can't see myself going to another game again in the near future and I will happily forgo my season ticket for the rest of the season. And due to the pitiful turn out at the last protest, I won't bother wasting my time attending another one of these either. I'll simply become an armchair neutral football fan, not attending games and keep an eye on Charlton's results from afar.

1-0 to the Belgians. They're slowly winning.

 

[SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious]

They're winning at the moment - but as the casuals turn I think it's possible to swing back our way.

It will be interesting to see when they announce season ticket prices for 16/17.

 

[Miketyson2007]

I've had enough.

Luckily for me I have gone away for Christmas, so I will miss the Wolves & Forest games. I also decided to give the Bolton game the swerve, so I have no idea if anyone showed up to protest before that one?

However, the last game I attended was the Leeds game and the pre-match protest was pitiful. Fair play to those (including myself) that did show up. I also echo the other comments regarding the wasters looking down with their beers from the west stand concourses - it's the gutless idiots like these that have contributed to me making the decision to give up attending.

I can't see myself going to another game again in the near future and I will happily forgo my season ticket for the rest of the season. And due to the pitiful turn out at the last protest, I won't bother wasting my time attending another one of these either. I'll simply become an armchair neutral football fan, not attending games and keep an eye on Charlton's results from afar.

1-0 to the Belgians. They're slowly winning.

Very sad reading mate this has what it's come too Nader these wasters sickens me

 

[Miketyson2007]

Hello all. New member. Some harsh words here about those of us who are apathetic. I can only speak for me personally but hopefully I am typical of the silent majority because enough is enough. My CAFC supporting credentials are pretty solid. As my chosen name suggests I go back to the 80s, my first proper season being the year we left the Valley having been converted to the cause at the Stoke game. The sheer emotion and passion of that day still moves me. On the terrace in the covered end, as a 14 year old boy singing 'you can stick your fcuking selhurst up your arse' while ironically Lennie's shoe string assembled team - Aizlewood, Lee, Pender, Shipley, Johns, Reid, Pearson etc gave us something to be truly truly proud about. I was at St Andrews when Shirtliffe scored twice in injury time (Peakey free kicks) and the pleasurble sprint back to New Street after when the Brum hooligans applauded us through. I leafleted for the valley party, I traveled to most grounds in the country. So forgive a little nostalgia there but I think I have earnt my Charlton stripes. Now I have a young family, a busy work life and while I am fortunate enough to be able to buy a West Stand season ticket as I have done for years, and take it or leave it. Needless today because the fare on the pitch is so consistently tedious there is more leaving it. For me there are more important and challenging things to worry about than Charlton. I am one of those that hasn't got the time or inclination to analyse too deeply. I see a Belgian fella with a weird agenda who despite all the crazy arsed **** he has done saved us from administration and resurrected a crumbling ground. When I go, I do so because its something to do. But on Saturday night I felt sick to my stomach. The penny finally dropped. Don't crucify me for that but the old 'silent majority' don't care enough. Apologies if that is unpalatable and somewhat treacherous to some but that is the reality of the prevailing passive attitude of us - the sleepwalking 8000. We are not bad people or poor fans. We just have a sense of perspective of where it all fits in in life. But finally after two disgraceful results in a week under another disgustingly under qualified manager (who us apathetics were prepared to give a chance)- I am totally bored of this ****. Moreover I am finally angry. I will be joining future demos.

It's not even the fact that some. Don't demonstrate for some it ain't them I. respect that but then don't watch on sniggering from the steps those were the west stand fans that annoyed me on the day.
Welcome to the forum I was there at st Andrews and through the selhurst days when as you say we had a team. To be proud of.
We don't even have that under this mob no manager to get behind just nothing it's horrible.

 

[User deleted as requested]

AHLL is right - the only thing that will force them out is a combination of persistent, hostile protests and mass boycotting of home matches which will ramp up RD's losses.

Just before she sacked Luzon, Pinnochio Walter Mitty went public that Douche was "putting her under pressure to deliver results"

On every single level she has palpably failed as the CEO...horribly so.

 

[SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious]

If asked now to point out her failings - there have been so many I'd struggle to find a starting point.

Worth noting today that Coventry have slapped a £10mil asking price on one of their youngsters today - James Maddison.

I can see KM emailing the premier league teams now explaining they can have Lookmqn for £2mil, on the stipulation they allow he to say it was "much higher".

 

[User deleted as requested]

Talking of Meire's transfer dealings, Matt Wright reminded everyone yesterday of her lies over Michael Morrison

Meire - "Charlton have agreed an undisclosed arrangement with Birmingham"

Morrison - " no fee was involved"

 

[ForestHillBilly]

Talking of Meire's transfer dealings, Matt Wright reminded everyone yesterday of her lies over Michael Morrison

Meire - "Charlton have agreed an undisclosed arrangement with Birmingham"

Morrison - " no fee was involved"

That's typical lawyer's doublespeak. Technically she could say it wasn't a lie, but it was put in such a way as to give a false impression. I see CASTrust are reconsidering their decision to hold a dialogue with the club. About time. You can't have an honest discussion with someone like that.

 

[Holden Chinaski]

That's typical lawyer's doublespeak. Technically she could say it wasn't a lie, but it was put in such a way as to give a false impression. I see CASTrust are reconsidering their decision to hold a dialogue with the club. About time. You can't have an honest discussion with someone like that.

They've finally realised that they won't get dialogue and the fanbase that they represent don't want dialogue? Talk about coming to the party late with no booze, when the invitation specifically said 6:30 and a bottle of Belvedere.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Hello all. New member. Some harsh words here about those of us who are apathetic. I can only speak for me personally but hopefully I am typical of the silent majority because enough is enough. My CAFC supporting credentials are pretty solid. As my chosen name suggests I go back to the 80s, my first proper season being the year we left the Valley having been converted to the cause at the Stoke game. The sheer emotion and passion of that day still moves me. On the terrace in the covered end, as a 14 year old boy singing 'you can stick your fcuking selhurst up your arse' while ironically Lennie's shoe string assembled team - Aizlewood, Lee, Pender, Shipley, Johns, Reid, Pearson etc gave us something to be truly truly proud about. I was at St Andrews when Shirtliffe scored twice in injury time (Peakey free kicks) and the pleasurble sprint back to New Street after when the Brum hooligans applauded us through. I leafleted for the valley party, I traveled to most grounds in the country. So forgive a little nostalgia there but I think I have earnt my Charlton stripes. Now I have a young family, a busy work life and while I am fortunate enough to be able to buy a West Stand season ticket as I have done for years, and take it or leave it. Needless today because the fare on the pitch is so consistently tedious there is more leaving it. For me there are more important and challenging things to worry about than Charlton. I am one of those that hasn't got the time or inclination to analyse too deeply. I see a Belgian fella with a weird agenda who despite all the crazy arsed **** he has done saved us from administration and resurrected a crumbling ground. When I go, I do so because its something to do. But on Saturday night I felt sick to my stomach. The penny finally dropped. Don't crucify me for that but the old 'silent majority' don't care enough. Apologies if that is unpalatable and somewhat treacherous to some but that is the reality of the prevailing passive attitude of us - the sleepwalking 8000. We are not bad people or poor fans. We just have a sense of perspective of where it all fits in in life. But finally after two disgraceful results in a week under another disgustingly under qualified manager (who us apathetics were prepared to give a chance)- I am totally bored of this ****. Moreover I am finally angry. I will be joining future demos.

I was at the bottom of the group who got 'let through' by Birmingham, a belated hello!

 

[User deleted as requested]

I see that CAST has put out another drippingly wet, hand wringing statement on Xmas Eve offering Katreeeeeeeeeeeen Meire one final, final chance at dialogue before Richard Pemberton gets very cross indeed.

Pathetic stuff from Steve Clarke and Richard *unt.

Wasn't it Barack Obama who said that every crisis is also an opportunity, and this crisis would have been the perfect moment for CAST's collection of ginny Maiden Aunts to show some leadership, and get fans to coalesce around hostile protests.

Instead we get this pathetic, winsome pleading for "dialogue" with someone (Meire) who could not have been clearer that she is not interested.

A couple of the CAST twats have accused me of being a divisive influence amongst our fan base - unlike them I haven't taken a penny in subs from the gullible and easily duped, whilst achieving absolutely nothing. Their little recruitment drive at Woolwich Town Hall last February saw loads of lovely new fivers rolling it - and what happened next ?

A new CAST deadline of 15 Jan has been set FFS.

We will be all but relegated by then.

Why can't our fans be like those of normal clubs? Why do we need another committee, another statement, another bogus deadline, before taking action. If we lose against Wolves, fans should lawfully take matters into their own hands at full time.

We have let Duchatelet, Meire, Murray and Fraeye get away with murder for too long.

 

[Miketyson2007]

That CAST lot make me puke a pathetic bunch of Lilly livered face if the fans wannabes.
The do nothing except suck up to the board pretending to represent ME you and every other cafc fan.
The are part of this problem too wish they would just go away back to middleclass don from wemce they came.