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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by OzzieAssaidi, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. I'm not going to join in this game, we'll be here for a age <ok>
     
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  2. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Bluff and Gerrez are here all week. :wink:
     
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    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    The fact is this, you've got an average squad with two world class players in Gerrard and Suarez. Have a look at the rest of your squad, it's average, it's a mid table team.

    You really need to sit down and take a look at where your club is going, it's going to be an average club that finishes around 10th to 15th. You weren't happy with your signings were you? Borini, Joe Allen (backwards and sideways), Oussama Assaidi and Nuri Sahin on loan from Real Madrid. Apart from Sahin and Assaidi who I don't know much about, the rest of the players are one's that a mid table club would sign. Borini is awful, he is a championship player at best and Joe Allen is overrated, you only have to look at players like Silva, Cazorla and Ramirez ;) to see how average he is. Didn't you pay 15m for him? Ramirez is a much better player my friends, you certainly missed out on him. Some clubs have the money and others don't, if you had the money maybe you would of been able to afford him.
     
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  4. OzzieAssaidi

    OzzieAssaidi New Member

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    The best thing you can do is keep quiet. You're greatest ever player is Twat Le Tissier, the only reason he stayed with you, is because all the big clubs wouldn't sign him due to him being a fat git. You're relegation fodder and you know it. We'll take Gaston Ramirez when you're relegated.
     
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  5. Mr.Gaston Ramirez

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    I know we stayed up because of him. When Spurs were interested in signing Le Tissier he was very interested in signing for them, but his wife didn't want to live in London so he didn't join them. After being at the club for a bit longer he fell in love with the club and he didn't even want to join Chelsea when they came in with an offer. This is all from his auto biography by the way, in case you don't believe me.

    We've got the new "Le Tiss" in Gaston Ramirez, who looks like a real star of a player, one that you've got no chance of signing.

    We'll stay up, we've got a young team with some great players. Our defense is a bit dodgy, but there aren't many teams with a better midfield and strikeforce than us.
     
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  6. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Look I'm not going to say 2 points out of 15 is good but you have to look at how the 13 were lost and who they were lost to.

    "The table never lies" has been thrown around a lot here. Now I agree after game 30+ but if its the case after game 5 then apparently WBA are champions league material. Just a suggestion of be cautious throwing the cliches around.

    Also a little confused at people that defended KD for buying players who didn't perform immediately (or at all).

    I also believe he had a run of games with said players that he bought & those magical oldies who provided all those goals.(.no wait scrub that last one) and might I add with similar injury losses ( same people) in the 2nd half of the season that taken on their own would have had us in exactly the same place on the league table.

    Now remember I was also one of those that said he, KD should get more time; so why did he deserve it but BR gets 5 games with all the same problems & all the same possibilities as KD had? Is less patience a get back at the owners for perceived errors? How's that help the team? How is the mistakes made with KD Rodgers fault? How was BR suppose to fix everything in 12 weeks? You (& I) didn't think KD had time enough to do it in 18 months!

    Also; I would remind those talking about Carroll: he showed mere glimpses of improvement by the end & one international goal so lets not over exaggerate his possible contribution here. Oh yes & his hamstring is just as likely to have gone playing for us as it did for WH so what contribution would that have been exactly!?

    Does our squad have enough league ready, high quality players? No. Is this BR's fault; I'd argue no, and pointing at letting Carroll go is a ridiculous red herring. One player with possibilities in a set up not being played by the manager might be a mistake depth wise but he doesn't answer that question all on his own.

    Pointing at Kuyt or the others? maybe they could have been convinced to stay but to provide what? They were part of the team that also didn't score goals; they just got paid a lot more for not scoring goals and were old & fairly knackered. That's a bit past "experienced"

    Did the Manager screw up his first transfer window? Well, we'd argue striker wise yes. But if he had only x amount of money I think we can see his priority was elsewhere & he took a gamble with what was left(that reminds me of an ex manager; now who had to do that: oh yes Rafa!). The gamble has SO FAR not worked with players bought to cover the strikers role & he got shafted by the owners in even his cheap alternative (not debating tgeir reasoning here) so we'll never know if Dempsey as a goal scoring gamble would have worked. Again I believe Sturridge is a red herring; there was never a mutually acceptable deal to all parties so its irrelevant.

    We can all in hindsight list strikers at x price but I think BR needs cut some slack on his first foray in the transfer market; with I'm sorry, but was not the most clear cut line of communication. Could he have been more assertive? Possibly, but how many of you swing your dick around the bosses office in the first 8 weeks of a new job?

    We are leaking in defence yes, but a lot of this was individual errors. Pepe was as error prone last year so how is that BR's fault unless you think he should drop PR?

    The rest is getting used to a system., how long is long enough you ask? I'd certainly say longer than 5 games all of which with the exception of WBA are tough any year, any system played.

    I think people are either looking for miracles to be performed with a squad that just cant yet perform them or more realistically people are looking for failure before BR even started, be that to prove it wasn't KD's fault, to prove the owners are indeed rubbish or just out of a feeling of an impatient sense of frustrated powerlessness.

    So tell me; how does another year of divided bickering fans & washing out dirty laundry in public, piling on the pressure to absentee landlord owners help our football team improve on the park? Especially as we have an incredibly young team who might, just might not take this kind of bitching positively. You know because young teenagers aren't IT savvy enough to be on Twitter & forums to see & hear the abuse & doubts from their own fans are they?

    So when I ask for patience I don't mean for the owners, I mean primarily with these young players, some patience for the new manager & his style of play & patience with each other.

    I think we've been playing well & because of that I'm willing to give him the same time I wanted to give KD or RB.

    Even Hodgeson would have got that if he hadn't been perpetually negative, on & off the park. He really belonged on here with us :D
     
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    Joe Allen overrated? You need to learn a bit more about football. <laugh>
     
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    I don't need to learn how to pass the ball backwards and sideways I already know how to. He is ok, nothing special. Not a Gaston Ramirez.
     
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  9. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Are you another one with a little TOO much liking ;) of a particular player? He will get an injunction out on you.

    Then you'll hate him, still be in love with him, but you'll imagine violent things while masturbating rather than just looking up to the poster on the ceiling.....
     
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  10. OzzieAssaidi

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    Gaston Ramirez hasn't done much to impress me in all fairness. He was pretty awful at the olypmpics. Oops sorry, I'm not the one with selective memory. Ramirez seems to be as overhyped as Shinji ''Zidane, Kaka and Platini rolled into one'' Kagawa.
     
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    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Wise words Frank <ok>
     
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  12. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Not that you're a one-man team or anything <doh>
     
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  13. Definitely not, FIFA comes out this week - and i got my copy this morning <diva>
     
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    Mr.Gaston Ramirez New Member

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    Did you watch him last saturday?
     
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    We're not a one man team, no one is. You play football with 11 players on the pitch not 1, I thought you already knew this.
     
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  16. OzzieAssaidi

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    One swallow doesn't make a summer, even Kagawa played well once.
     
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    Kagawa is a good player. He is twice the player that Joe Allen will ever be.
     
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    He didn't show it on Sunday, he was more anonymous than Shrek usually is, and twice as anonymous as Robin Van Rapist.
     
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    He can't play well every game. You're not saying that RVP isn't a good player, are you?
     
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    Van Persie is a good player when fit, however he's not consistently fit either. He's spent more time lying on his back than one of Wayne Rooneys prostitutes.
     
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