IMO if the two vital things are empty words and a terrbile league position then rodgers is going about the same treand as hodgson. Rodgers needs to turn it around quickly.... if you just take a nuetrals stance and ay hodgson had an awful squad of rubbish (and made it worse) and was really low in the league then Rodgers is having a perfect storm.. injuries, his signings look bad, has some rubbihs left over too.... in the end he'll be hodgson mark ii if he doens't get s up the league.... its that simple. we can't stop leaking self inflicted goals cos we are so stretched every time we lose the ball we seem to just have 2 men back and allen chasing vainly back. We are then not getting guys in the box (v utd shelvey was most in there til he went off)... ergo tactics are not working and he's got choices of who to put in now that will decide his fate. I'm not anti anyone here but i think to a nuetral it looks pretty dire.. that has to be said. taking a look at hat you just said here, basically playing suarez up front is not working seems to be something we agree on "like Suarez, Rooney, Tevez etc in dropping deep to get the ball etc, that is not what we need at the minute." So unless morgan, yesil, n'goo come from nowhere to take o nthe role or we continue to struggle in front of goal.... two things occured in the wondow.. first rodgers identified no striker as sturridge was not on and dempsey is not a striker and second the club let the manager down by failing to get either and BOTH parties let carroll go... i feel that like comolli and kenny bad decisions with funds are going to hurt rodgers badly... but most improtantly they hurt US as a club badly.
Allen as been one of our best players, Borini is young and needs time (much like Carroll did) but certainly doesn't lack the effort (something us Liverpool fans usually appreciate) and can you really judge Assaidi when he's hardly played and cost hardly anything at around about £3m...? Unless, of course, you mean lack of signings? This is obvious different
The summer window ended badly - lack of communication and scouting dept were the two main reasons being reported. We now have the scouting personnel in place so let's hope everyone has learnt from the miscommunication ...
lets be nuetral about each signing, after all FSG wrote us an open letter praising the work they did... 1. Allen, yes he looks good. 2. Bornin. no he looks very poor value at 11mil of our small pot and isn't nearly ready to play... he's weak on the wings and was anonymous up front. 3. Assaidi. if FSG can highlight him then having not played until now and at 3mil all we can say is he didn't plug an immediate gap but looked ok against weak opposition. 3mil again is not precisely large but we seem to have little money and this was the choice to replace either maxi or kuyt it seems. 4. yesil. a boy for the academy. 5. Sahin. a quality player who was injured for a long time and is only on loan to get fit at another club. in short has not contributed what was needed and we will spend months getting him fit.. fine if lucas was fit but now he's needed and he's not ready. so there it is.. 4 of the signings are not ready fr the first team and the one who is is quite good.... did rodgers think he had better or was expecting ore in? I don;t know. Look at what left, maxi, kuyt, adam, aquilani, bellamy.. add spearing and carroll to that list and it has to be said while i think i'd agree with most outgoings we didn't at all replace what went. so conatrast to the hodgson disaster 1. meireles - one fine buy.. but a mercenary as it turned out who's moved on from chelsea too. 2. cole - much excitement from fans but no delivery. 3. konchesky - drove us mad to see this 4. pouslen - greeted with groans 5. jones - boror fans laughed at us. 6. jovanoivc - was rafa free buy but approved by hodgson. disaster all in all while rodgers hasn't made a total blooper on the way in (yet, they all do eventually and one might be one) he's made a right mess on the exits... is it FSG penny pinching or is it rodgers? all that matters to me is the league position won't lie and rodgers will be judged just like hodgson was... like i said he's GOT to turn it round quickly now.. its in his hands to go but i for one don't like the transition for big talk to small suqad and can't compete in all competitions. I'd rather he gets the players he's got goingand going quickly.
Meireles only started to play well for us once Roy had left too I find it amazing that you have passed judgement on the five incoming players after just what, eight games in total...? Most of which have not played anywhere near all eight games either
look its easy to pass judgement, what you might be saying is how the hell do i think i'm right perhaps? well lets be frank. 8 games is actually a long time. I think we can say a few things about for example kawaga at utd, he's good but lightweight and he goes down easy... and he's no paul scholes but he is good and of course its easy say RVP is class... what about chelsea... hazard is class. yet i can't decide after looking at our players where they are at? i think i can sum up where they are today... allen is good, borini is out of his depth, assiadi is a spurise singing who'll be a squad player but has a lot to do to displace other wingers for a regualr starting slot... yesil is a kid, and sahin is most certainly not fit.. just look at his recent history and games he played. I'm not actually saying yesil will never play for us, jsut that it'll not be today... i'm not saying that in a month sahin won't play the full 90 very well but i'm saying today when we need him he's not ready. I think thats fair enough personally. also finally... you say especially when none have played all 8 games... well this is my point. we let quite a few players who would have played those games as a real option go... bellamy in particular but kuyt (who i thought should go though) also and even maxi to some extent... if rodgers hand was forced to let them all go then he needed replacements. the point MUST be that only one of the 5 are ready to play so he's left short. can fsg be blamed for that... or should the manager who in his very first press conference showed he was in control of signings take some responsibility too? the last day of the window was the last dya ok... point taken btu those that did arrive have not even replaced what was going have they? this is why i use the phrase perfect storm... it feels like theres a big wall of water coming, injures, suspensions, tactics, signings and none of this wall of water is pushing us forward... its all ocoming in on top of rodgers... I actually feel for the guy but i'll not absolve him of his part in it as a result. I will even say he's done well to bring on a couple of kids and signed up some vital players on new contracts so he has got those things right. I hope he makes the right decisions from here to january cos they will shape what will go on then... we need a radical improvement on the pitch and he decisions so far have been mixed. if he gets it right we can improve but if he does a few things i can see happening we'll struggle badly.
OK lets analyse your complaints here. Kagawa for United, Allen for Liverpool - both in the same ball park transfer fee wise. Liverpool needed Allen to provide cover and competition for Lucas. Not sure whether Kagawa was needed by United, but he's not been a stunning success. Allen, however, has gone about his business in the same manner as Lucas, perhaps not as effective in the movement of the ball, not quite as good at shielding the back 4, but he's dong a good job for a new club. Borini - £11mil for a 21 year old striker who has now played a grand total of 5.5 hours of Premiership football. Its not a tremendous amount to pay for a player, but far too early to write him off altogether. He is still adapting to the demands, and he's played three of his games against some of the better PL defenders in wide positions, which is not his natural position... As for the others, we've paid scrap change for them. Compare with having paid two-bob from down the back of the sofa the way Rafa did for several players, making profits on most of them for reinvestment. I understand the moan about letting players go before replacements are ready (i.e. Carroll, Kuyt, Bellamy particularly), but I suspect that the owners are cracking the whip over wages, and given our now-extended absence from the money-go-round, I can see the sense in removing the wages from the bill. I don't particularly agree, but I understand. I think we have some talented players coming through - Thanks Rafa! - and we should see results going our way now the hard run is over. Judge the gaffer after the next five. BTW, Rodgers isn't a gobby defeatist like Hodge-podge was, kowtowing to SirExLax, and saying we shouldn't expect to win games. At least Brendan is setting the team up to try to win games...
Fair points. However, not even Gerrard or Suarez have played all eight games so to say some of them that have left would have done is a little rich IMO, but I get your point
Lt's look on the bright side, the refs in the prem are bad but have a look at the controversy surrounding the "replacement" NFL refs while the good ones went on strike. Players, Managers, pundits, everyone is aboslutely losing their minds over here.
Or maybe we need to take a step backwards to be able to move forwards...? Or is that too much of a sensible though...?
