Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

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Arsenal fan here.

The problem with football these days is time is rarely afforded yet not every manager has the same process. Some do require it.

The Amorim situation actually reminds me a little of Arteta.

When Mikel arrived he tried fitting the squad into his favoured 4-3-3 formation but he just didn't have the players for the system. The key difference though is Arteta eventually switched to a back 5 just to keep us in the top half of the table.. Still it wasn't until he had signed the required players to fit a 4-3-3 that we started to quickly improve.

Amorim has just stuck to his guns, I assume that's because he believes some of the squad will still be there and he needs them to learn how to play 'his way'.

It's a tricky situation because another Season like that and you guys could be in serious trouble. On the other hand all he might need is a transfer window or two.
Amorim's stubbornness is self-defeating. Purely ego-driven without thinking about how to get the most out of what we have right now, right here!

The other part of the conundrum is whether that system will actually suit the Premier League's needs and demands. Even if we brought in the whole Lisbon's team that Amorim was successful with, is it guaranteed that one size will fit all? I am not so sure. This is why adaptability is the most valuable trait of a good manager in this league. If you don't adapt and even reinvent, the team will eventually get stuck.
 
Amorim's stubbornness is self-defeating. Purely ego-driven without thinking about how to get the most out of what we have right now, right here!

Na he has a style and a way he wants to play - that he believes in. Nothing wrong with that.

The other part of the conundrum is whether that system will actually suit the Premier League's needs and demands. Even if we brought in the whole Lisbon's team that Amorim was successful with, is it guaranteed that one size will fit all? I am not so sure. This is why adaptability is the most valuable trait of a good manager in this league. If you don't adapt and even reinvent, the team will eventually get stuck.

This could be true. We haven't seen many teams successful with three at the back in the EPL although Chelsea did win the league with a similar setup under Conte.
 
Amorim's stubbornness is self-defeating. Purely ego-driven without thinking about how to get the most out of what we have right now, right here!

The other part of the conundrum is whether that system will actually suit the Premier League's needs and demands. Even if we brought in the whole Lisbon's team that Amorim was successful with, is it guaranteed that one size will fit all? I am not so sure. This is why adaptability is the most valuable trait of a good manager in this league. If you don't adapt and even reinvent, the team will eventually get stuck.

I was reading that once Amorim went to Sporting to get the players he wanted that fitted his system, he got rid of around 25 players til he had the team and players that worked
 
Na he has a style and a way he wants to play - that he believes in. Nothing wrong with that.



This could be true. We haven't seen many teams successful with three at the back in the EPL although Chelsea did win the league with a similar setup under Conte.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it.

And completely transparent right from the very start that his intention was to drill the squad into his way of thinking for the rest of this season and assess the current squad.

Having already said that, ideally, he wouldn't take the job till the end of this season.

It's not even that hard to work out tbh.

We ****ed up a EL final we should have won, but this narrative that it's a disaster because we haven't made money is utter bunk, it's sad we didn't win a cup but that's it, we aren't currently good enough for the champions league so sod being in it.

Pre season, some playing changes, and on we go again into next next season.

When there will be, obviously, a plan ****ing B as well.
 
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Money from Europe is not a narrative, Chief. It’s mathematics! It will only make things harder.

And the idea that it’s okay that we didn’t qualify because we are not going to be good enough for the competition, does that mean we expect the team to be abysmal next season? Surely we better from the team come August.
 
In other news, McTominay has been named the player is the season in Italy. He was deemed never good enough for Manchester United.

Maybe we should put in a bid for him.
 
Money from Europe is not a narrative, Chief. It’s mathematics! It will only make things harder.

And the idea that it’s okay that we didn’t qualify because we are not going to be good enough for the competition, does that mean we expect the team to be abysmal next season? Surely we better from the team come August.

No, it's means we won't have European football cluttering up the mid week. Which means fewer games and more rest, not travelling over Europe competing in a competition we ultimately won't win. We can also trim the squad.

Let's see how likes of Forest, Palace and Newcastle perform now European football is added to their tables.

As for McTominay, he should have stayed. A very useful squad player, no doubt.

(yet) Another mistake by Ten Hag.


£100million champions league money is not a trophy.
Ultimately, only telly clappers care, it's forgotten very quickly by most.

I'm going today, if we'd have won on Wednesday they'd have been parading a trophy, not a large cheque.
 
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Onana not even in the squad today but a lot of defenders.

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home team,Manchester United
Manager:Ruben Amorim

Starting lineup
  • Number1,
    A. Bayındır
  • Number8,
    Bruno Fernandes (c), Captain
  • Number18,
    Casemiro
  • Number16,
    A. Diallo
  • Number13,
    P. Dorgu
  • Number26,
    A. Heaven
  • Number5,
    H. Maguire
  • Number3,
    N. Mazraoui
  • Number7,
    M. Mount
  • Number2,
    V. Lindelöf
  • Number9,
    R. Højlund
Substitutes
home team,Manchester United
  • Number43,
    T. Collyer
  • Number20,
    Diogo Dalot
  • Number14,
    C. Eriksen
  • Number35,
    J. Evans
  • Number55,
    T. Fredricson
  • Number22,
    T. Heaton
  • Number37,
    K. Mainoo
  • Number56,
    C. Obi
  • Number25,
    M. Ugarte
 
I’m sure why all of sudden suggesting not qualifying for champions league is a good thing. This is the worse rationalization of failure in football!

We have just had a season of insane money spent to bring in players in the summer, change of manager to rescue the season, and we end up in 16th place. But here we are telling ourselves that failure is actually a good thing. <doh>
 
I’m sure why all of sudden suggesting not qualifying for champions league is a good thing. This is the worse rationalization of failure in football!

We have just had a season of insane money spent to bring in players in the summer, change of manager to rescue the season, and we end up in 16th place. But here we are telling ourselves that failure is actually a good thing. <doh>

Because most actual football supporters, who follow our team, don't give a **** about prize money.

It's a relatively new thing, prize (yay!!!!) money.

Look how much money you get for getting tenth. Ta daaaaaaa.

Most don't give a **** mate, only you.

Buy hey, don't let me shut you up, you keep papping on about money and ****, it's really interesting, honest.
 
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Because most actual football supporters, who follow our team, don't give a **** about prize money.

It's a relatively new thing, prize (yay!!!!) money.

Look how much money you get for getting tenth. Ta daaaaaaa.

Most don't give a **** mate, only you.

Buy hey, don't let me shut you up, you keep papping on about money and ****, it's really interesting, honest.
Stop it! You’re starting to sound ridiculous!

This was the same bs attitude of how “it isn’t our money and we shouldn’t care about United transfer fees and salaries”.

It is absolutely ******ed to claim that real fans don’t care about the financial wellbeing of a club they love. Absolutely fkin ******ed!
 
Why are you quoting me on something that I didn't say?
You’ve generally had that attitude that money is irrelevant, especially with the insane salaries we pay. Hence the quote. But the reality is that many of our problems are deeply rooted in bad finances and capital allocation.
 
You’ve generally had that attitude that money is irrelevant, especially with the insane salaries we pay. Hence the quote. But the reality is that many of our problems are deeply rooted in bad finances and capital allocation.
Our problems are deeply rooted in poor players.
Hojland is not good enough as main striker (i actually prefer Zirkzee who is also not quite good enough). Midfield needs a genuin playmaker (Bruno is not that at PL standard and as captain is the first head to drop or shake).
The defence/wide areas are good enough, not great but good enough.
We actually create quite a lot of chances (good chances) but have nobody to finish them, can Cunha be that player i don't know.
I have been supporting the club for over 60 years and have seen much worse than what we have now so have some optimism that we can do better next season with a full pre-season of getting used to what the manager requires.
 
I think that a major issue for us in the last few years is that our dressing room has always suffered from a degree of toxic influence - Pogba, Ronaldo, Sancho, Rashford etc. If Amorim can solve that problem (and it appears that he won't stand for any ****e), then we stand a chance of a successful rebuild.
 
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