Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?
- Thread starter Chief
- Start date
-
Please bear with us on the new site integration and fixing any known bugs over the coming days. If you can not log in please try resetting your password and check your spam box. If you have tried these steps and are still struggling email [email protected] with your username/registered email address
-
Yeh I've just heard that. We're going for another Dutch youngster instead is being reported as Antony looks unlikely?
We're a ****show because of a combination of factors.
There has always been the United are successful tax on players, then the United have loads of cash tax on players, and now also the United are desperate tax on players.
Add to this Woodward and each manager under Woodward since Fergie being utterly hopeless = ****show.
Spurs and Arsenal, or Brighton, have none of this by the way. Until they are actually successful, at anything, clubs aren't paying attention for that.
I'm actually amazed you've referenced these three clubs as if they are in any way the same.
We probably shouldn't have gone after a big name from a big club like de Jong, in hindsight.
Malachia, Martinez and Erikson are all good signings otherwise, done with minimum of fuss.
Our supporters would be crying about a lack of big name signing if we hadn't thought, given a large majority feel the need to whine about something or other all day.
Malachia, Martinez and Erikson are all good signings otherwise, done with minimum of fuss.
Our supporters would be crying about a lack of big name signing if we hadn't thought, given a large majority feel the need to whine about something or other all day.
I'm just amazed you keep defending the farce that we've become. It's so obvious that at this stage of the transfer window there is little or no planning and we're just another dog in the park chasing after balloons. It really doesn't matter whether the likes of Spurs or Arsenal are or aren't successful at the moment, it has nothing to do with how you plan for a transfer window.
The funny thing is if I quote the opposite - the likes of Chelsea, City or Liverpool you'll say they're winning trophies and only need tweaks to their squad so we shouldn't be comparing to them.
Strip it all away, it's so obvious the transfer window has been poorly managed by us and there's nothing wrong in pointing that out. Nothing wrong in saying other clubs have and are doing it much better than us. It's just a fact. If we manage to bring in a decent CM and decent striker despite this then those involved will have done well.
Because that is the truth about City, Liverpool and Chelsea so yeah, I would have said that.
I saw on one Guardian comments section someone outraged that no other club had been in for Malachia and Martinez, so they can't be any good.
Yet, these were done with none of the fuss the other side of our 'support' is currently cry arsing about.
I did point out I don't remember anyone else being in for Vidic and Evra and that those two worked out ok.
What do people want then? Unknowns with minimum of fuss, or pursue top targets that would be more difficult to attain? Didn't most agree to not compete for Nunez?
I personally said we should have gone after Bissouma ages ago, but that ship has sailed. I've also said Ivan Toney would be best bet for No.9, but the club haven't looked in that direction either. They should.
Like you say though, get two more in and it's been ok.
Also depends on which two. I think most accept Tielemans isn't really that high a bar, so are we now even thinking we settle for that, just so we get someone in?
It's not like there a players of the required quality all sat waiting to be signed up. There really aren't.
I saw on one Guardian comments section someone outraged that no other club had been in for Malachia and Martinez, so they can't be any good.
Yet, these were done with none of the fuss the other side of our 'support' is currently cry arsing about.
I did point out I don't remember anyone else being in for Vidic and Evra and that those two worked out ok.
What do people want then? Unknowns with minimum of fuss, or pursue top targets that would be more difficult to attain? Didn't most agree to not compete for Nunez?
I personally said we should have gone after Bissouma ages ago, but that ship has sailed. I've also said Ivan Toney would be best bet for No.9, but the club haven't looked in that direction either. They should.
Like you say though, get two more in and it's been ok.
Also depends on which two. I think most accept Tielemans isn't really that high a bar, so are we now even thinking we settle for that, just so we get someone in?
It's not like there a players of the required quality all sat waiting to be signed up. There really aren't.
If all of the above points to the Glazers being a bunch of ****s then, duh, no **** like. Don't see the point in continually moaning about it myself, it serves no purpose.
It otherwise sounds like people not being happy with the new manager and his transfer requests.
Already, after one game. Which undermines him with the support, from day one.
It otherwise sounds like people not being happy with the new manager and his transfer requests.
Already, after one game. Which undermines him with the support, from day one.
I'm with you about the bollox spouted by the pundits and media about our transfers. I've not seen the comments about Martinez and Malacia but personally I don't see a problem AT ALL with going for players no one's ever heard of.
In fact before the window opened I specifically said that one advantage of having a coach like Ten Hag and hopefully a sporting director is that we'll be going for the undiscovered gems which other clubs go for and that are developed into top notch players who we end up paying £60m/£70m for. I specifically said I want us to be a club who discovers those gems ourselves and moulds them into quality players.
For that reason I'm perfectly happy with trusting the signings of Martinez and Malacia. I have zero issue with who we're signing as long as it's been well planned that's all.
This new lad today that's been mentioned as a versatile forward (Cody Gapko) who we've been linked with. Plays for PSV Endhoven. Great! If Ten Hag rates him then I'm all for it. He fits that remit for me. Young, raw talent, technically able, one we can buy, he can mould and hopefully turn into a signing IF this isn't just paper talk of course.
What I have a problem with is that two of the positions we were treating as a priority were so badly planned for. That's it nothing else.
By all means go for De Jong, but there has to be a Plan B and C. We've persisted with a player where it's clear the deal was a tangled mess. OK that happens, but you have to factor that may happen and plan for it. Instead we've persisted with it at the detriment of the team, for a player who himself isn't pulling up sticks to come to us.
With regards to a forward, clearly anyone we're going for now is an after thought following a failed bid for Nunez, a protracted chase for Antony which was never going to happen based on Ajax's stance, and a ridiculous Arnautovich transfer.
The CM position has to be dealt with. So does a CF and that seems to be the club/Ten Hag's desire also. They've just been poorly managed. There's nothing wrong with saying that. It's not panicking nor is it whinging. It's just a fact.
Addressing both positions seems ill planned and pig-headed instead of being well planned and researched with several options lined up as backup in advance.
And if they don't get addressed, Ten Hag will have to manage and no doubt it will make his rebuild and his plan for progress that much harder. But it could and should have been mitigated.
In fact before the window opened I specifically said that one advantage of having a coach like Ten Hag and hopefully a sporting director is that we'll be going for the undiscovered gems which other clubs go for and that are developed into top notch players who we end up paying £60m/£70m for. I specifically said I want us to be a club who discovers those gems ourselves and moulds them into quality players.
For that reason I'm perfectly happy with trusting the signings of Martinez and Malacia. I have zero issue with who we're signing as long as it's been well planned that's all.
This new lad today that's been mentioned as a versatile forward (Cody Gapko) who we've been linked with. Plays for PSV Endhoven. Great! If Ten Hag rates him then I'm all for it. He fits that remit for me. Young, raw talent, technically able, one we can buy, he can mould and hopefully turn into a signing IF this isn't just paper talk of course.
What I have a problem with is that two of the positions we were treating as a priority were so badly planned for. That's it nothing else.
By all means go for De Jong, but there has to be a Plan B and C. We've persisted with a player where it's clear the deal was a tangled mess. OK that happens, but you have to factor that may happen and plan for it. Instead we've persisted with it at the detriment of the team, for a player who himself isn't pulling up sticks to come to us.
With regards to a forward, clearly anyone we're going for now is an after thought following a failed bid for Nunez, a protracted chase for Antony which was never going to happen based on Ajax's stance, and a ridiculous Arnautovich transfer.
The CM position has to be dealt with. So does a CF and that seems to be the club/Ten Hag's desire also. They've just been poorly managed. There's nothing wrong with saying that. It's not panicking nor is it whinging. It's just a fact.
Addressing both positions seems ill planned and pig-headed instead of being well planned and researched with several options lined up as backup in advance.
And if they don't get addressed, Ten Hag will have to manage and no doubt it will make his rebuild and his plan for progress that much harder. But it could and should have been mitigated.
You know what happens if we sign someone else from the Dutch league, at Ten Hag's suggestion?
Someone pops up on Twitter telling everyone that the premier league isn't the Dutch league and that Ten Hag is out of his depth........blah, blah, .....glib cliche, ........blah blah.......sanctimonious soundbites.......etc. etc.
And for some reason, too many people will listen.
The issue on our transfer policy, or lack of it, is - The Glazers. Ta daaaaaa!!
Always has been, always will be, until they are ****ing dead, preferably, or sell.
That's not changing.
I'm now of the opinion we support the manager, because this one is clearly a man who (appears to) know what he's actually doing, unlike the last few.
Let him do his job. The likes of Arnautovich and Rabiot, and the continued pursuit of de Jong, have got to be seen as his idea, or at least have his blessing. Support it.
Someone pops up on Twitter telling everyone that the premier league isn't the Dutch league and that Ten Hag is out of his depth........blah, blah, .....glib cliche, ........blah blah.......sanctimonious soundbites.......etc. etc.
And for some reason, too many people will listen.
The issue on our transfer policy, or lack of it, is - The Glazers. Ta daaaaaa!!
Always has been, always will be, until they are ****ing dead, preferably, or sell.
That's not changing.
I'm now of the opinion we support the manager, because this one is clearly a man who (appears to) know what he's actually doing, unlike the last few.
Let him do his job. The likes of Arnautovich and Rabiot, and the continued pursuit of de Jong, have got to be seen as his idea, or at least have his blessing. Support it.
OK so this is interesting...
FC Barcelona have activated a fourth economic lever worth €100mn ($102mn), though this still won't be enough for them to register new players it has been claimed.
These are namely new signings Raphinha, Robert Lewandowski, Jules Kounde, Franck Kessie and Andreas Christensen plus a further two stars already on Barca's books who have renewed their contracts in Ousmane Dembele and Sergi Roberto.
On Tuesday morning the Catalans, previously said to be in debts of around $1.4bn, have sold a further 24.5% of Barca Studios to the GDA Luma investment fund for the mentioned fee.
This comes after they also offloaded 24.5% of Barca Studios to Socios.com on Monday last week, and a total 25% of their television rights to American investment firm Sixth Street for the next 25 years in two separate deals rumoured to be worth a combined €567mn ($580mn).
After those first three levers were pulled, Barca reportedly sent off all the required documentation to see if they could register seven players ahead of the La Liga season.
On Monday evening, however, radio station COPE reported that even with the four levers in place, Barca will still have problems pulling off the operation and need to generate €60mn ($61.4mn) "through sales or other income".
This might be straightforward if Barca find another lever, or sell Frenkie de Jong in the coming days with the club having already agreed a €85mn ($87mn) transfer for the 25-year-old with Manchester United.
FC Barcelona have activated a fourth economic lever worth €100mn ($102mn), though this still won't be enough for them to register new players it has been claimed.
These are namely new signings Raphinha, Robert Lewandowski, Jules Kounde, Franck Kessie and Andreas Christensen plus a further two stars already on Barca's books who have renewed their contracts in Ousmane Dembele and Sergi Roberto.
On Tuesday morning the Catalans, previously said to be in debts of around $1.4bn, have sold a further 24.5% of Barca Studios to the GDA Luma investment fund for the mentioned fee.
This comes after they also offloaded 24.5% of Barca Studios to Socios.com on Monday last week, and a total 25% of their television rights to American investment firm Sixth Street for the next 25 years in two separate deals rumoured to be worth a combined €567mn ($580mn).
After those first three levers were pulled, Barca reportedly sent off all the required documentation to see if they could register seven players ahead of the La Liga season.
On Monday evening, however, radio station COPE reported that even with the four levers in place, Barca will still have problems pulling off the operation and need to generate €60mn ($61.4mn) "through sales or other income".
This might be straightforward if Barca find another lever, or sell Frenkie de Jong in the coming days with the club having already agreed a €85mn ($87mn) transfer for the 25-year-old with Manchester United.
Interesting, but not new. Barca are busying themselves around the global financial markets creating shell companies and moving zillions of oil dollars around to try and beat the La Liga's financial investigators who are now trailing them like a bitch on heat ahead of this week's player registration date. For Barca fail to make the regulated financials would be earth shattering, it would be the first time they have failed to bully Las Liga to their way of thinking and all of the other teams are praying for it all to unfold. Exciting times ahead
Just watched the Gooners show on Amazon - Jesus, player power today............. they can bring down a decent boss in no time.
There are reports that we’ve agreed something with De Jong’s agent. At the same time, it’s being reported that Chelsea is about to agree a deal with Barcelona. If Chelsea agrees a deal with Barca, it looks likely that he would join Chelsea over us. At this point in time, the club can’t possibly let that happen and it is now immaterial how they achieve it. We have to be scrappy and get fkin desperate at this hour.
De Jong's agent is meeting with Barca officials as we speak. Assuming the Barca wages crap can be resolved (and given Barca's predicament to register new players that looks likely), who signs De Jong will depend on any one of three things:
1) What assurances he's given to / strength of relationship he has, with Ten Hag.
2) Just how much playing in the CL this season is important to him.
3) Whether Barca will push for the CFC deal because they're also looking to offload Aubamayeng in a potential double sale to them.
1) What assurances he's given to / strength of relationship he has, with Ten Hag.
2) Just how much playing in the CL this season is important to him.
3) Whether Barca will push for the CFC deal because they're also looking to offload Aubamayeng in a potential double sale to them.
IF DeJong did go to Chelsea after such a protracted “all or nothing” effort from the club to get him, will we all agree that the whole thing has been a complete shambles that could and should have been avoided? After the multiple times the player said he was not willing to move to Manchester and that he was keen to play CL football? Why did we persist and refuse to take him at his word when everyone could see it was going to end in failure and humiliation? This makes ****ing Ed Woodward almost competent.