Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

This thread ffs!

 

No doubt we are in a worse position. With an interim manager who has really made things worse and thrown everyone under the bus to save his skin if truth be told. But he’s been assessing players for ETH so that’s fine.

can’t wait for the season to be over. Still “fighting” for the Europa or European conference. Those who say Utd should just focus on domestic stuff next season citing the example of Arsenal are wrong IMO. We could do with blooding players AND the team to different styles to that of premiership teams. Who knows we could far into these competitions as long as Ten Haag build something of a team instead of the rabble that’s been overseen by Rangnick. Clearly Ole had to go but why recruit someone worse than him, even on a interim basis. After just a few better performances the team just fell part with the players treating the manager with contempt.

 

Which served a purpose and showed some of the players true colours.
No personal pride or willingness to work for the team/club/supporters.
Erik will walk into the club with full knowledge of who needs to go and who will at least put some effort in, after that he will make his own choices of who to bring.
The club needs scrubbing and almost a total restart.

 

Throwing them under a bus?

What a ridiculous cliché.

They deserve it, they've been exposed as spoofers and fakes, it's completely warranted.

 

What about Rangnick? He’s been brilliant? We can’t outline all the silly selections and substitutions.

Rangnick has blamed everyone since he arrived. But he’s the manager and he’s not been pulling trees and has not been even a half decent one. It has been the fault of the players, of the club, of this and that. He’s not restored the team spirit which was some of his key job objectives. Assessing who need to be retained and who have enough potential to contribute under Ten Haag couldn’t have been done by any half decent managers who were available for 6 months? Carrick was looking a decent interim (just like OGS was) but surely he wasn’t the only one who could have stepped in. What happened to all the talk of high pressing and increased physicality ? After a few matches, his players lost faith in him. Surely the most important part of the manager’s job is to get the players to play as a team. He’s undoubtedly failed in that respect.


Anyway he’s leaving. As I said can’t wait for the new season with the new manager in charge and for us to have a proper team and no further talk of dressing room discontent and not playing for the manager.

 

He was employed to see out the season and assess the squad, which he has done. He was never intended to be long term or make friends.

As you say, Carrick could have done that.

He'd have just kissed the players rings like Ole did and they'd have taken the piss, like they did with Ole.

If Rangnick has rattled a few and upset the apple cart it is no bad thing and job done.

They can all now leave if they aren't happy.

 

You mean they are not taking the piss at the moment ? Carrick or any other decent manager could have done the squad assessment and won some matches…

 

I think Smithy seems to forget we entered the season looking to compete for the league title. By the time the last guy was sacked and Rangnick came in, any chance of that happening was well and truly over.

The season was fcked so what exactly did we lose since Rangnick's arrived? Fck all.

After that, any "playing for pride" was pissed up the wall by the players including an absolute piss poor defence which cost us.

 

I get your point about the title challenge being completely gone. But it didn’t mean that the whole season should be jettisoned and European football dumped. There again you put 100% of the blame on the players (does Rangnick not shoulder some responsibility for his utter incompetence and poor management ?). In striking contrast to putting 100% of the blame on the previous manager for our problems at the time ?

 

Rangnick was far from perfect but tbh, once we'd sacked Ole and decided to go for an interim I really wasn't bothered who. The only two things we had left to play for were the FA Cup and Top 4. I doubt we would've achieved either with an interim whoever that was, so in the end it was all about getting to the end of the season and getting a permanent manager in.

 

Pogba’s agent who did his best to undermine the club to always get more money for his beloved player at every opportunity has passed away!

 

It's been mentioned already mate. I don't normally speak ill of the dead, but...

 

Ah, didn’t see that.

How we live is far more important than how we die.

 

I put most of the blame on the previous three years. It was a rotten culture! I point my fingers at Woodward and Ole as the sole owners. Did Rangnick help the matters, absolutely not! But let’s not act as though we became something we weren’t already.

Without tearing this team apart, I don’t think there’s a lot to work with. And not because I don’t think that the players are not good enough, but solely because of the culture that has fallen off the cliff. Rangnick didn’t bring the cultural reset necessary. But we can also argue that he’s never had to work with new players. Something that his predecessor had abundance of.

Side question; why did Rangnick play Pogba every time that he was available? It is clear from his comments that he wasn’t exactly fond of Pogba as a player. Is there some sort contractual obligation there? Doesn’t make sense! But then again, nothing in this past year makes much sense.

Onwards and upwards!

 

You know what really baffled me in all this, in hindsight I suppose but two of these are clear mistakes to me?

That we sold Hererra, Smalling and Dan James!
All three of those would run through brick walls for United. Yet were sold, while other complete chancers were kept.

Ridiculous management.

 

Yes, unarguable that we brought and sold the wrong players. But the key factor IMO is that we brought in the wrong managers, every time. Wrong person at the wrong time.

Moyes: Brought Fellaini out of all top players available Sure sign that the club was on a downward slide with him.

Van Gaal: Worst of the bunch. Brought Di Maria Kagawa Falcao and many other failures. Couldn’t incorporate them in his soporific football.

Mourinho: brought Pogba and immediately fell out with him. Was it Woodward who insisted on getting him for financial reasons? Humiliated Shaw amongst others Symptomatic of the squad unrest during his tenure.

Solskjaer: CR arrived. Pretty sure it wasn’t OGS who brought him in but the team performances fell off the cliff with talk of dissent and cliques. He wasn’t good enough to manage such a high profile player and many players stopped playing for him.

Rangnick: interim with very little prospect of getting the permanent job. Poor man manager and the performances of Fernandes and rashford fell off the cliff, not to mention Maguire. With talk of Rashford leaving, possibly to Arsenal.

As soon as a top player was available we made a bid without any thought about the vision, team dynamics, and what role he’ll play within the current squad. Basic stuff which we’ll surely correct with the new management team.

 

Agree with the overall point.

Disagree about CR, he's saved us plenty this season and scored, what 24 goals? I go by what he's doing on the pitch. The rest is just media rumour bollox, the same media who I thought we were all saying enjoy bad-mouthing United bcos most are ex-scoursers and ABUs and they fcking hated the fact we had arguably the best player of all time and would love to tarnish him any way they can.

Fernandes has been piss poor since March 2021 (over a year) and Rashford the same.

 

Kagawa was signed by Fergie, not sure who you're thinking of?

 

The serbian lad who went to Arsenal? His name escapes me.

 

My bad. Schweinsteiger, schneiderling, Depay , Romero are names that come to mind. These were well below par as soon as they joined the club.