Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

Rangers playing. Once again no Diallo

 

Paul Pogba once again fanning the flames of discontent with his lot. What an ungrateful piece of **** he is. If he wants to leave, fine, I'll pay for the taxi, but there is no need for all this crap being fed into the press with so much of the season still to go.

 

What's he said now

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...second-turbulent-stint-Manchester-United.html

 

Yep, grade A prick

Nothing was of his own making obviously.

Fergie was right about him all along. From minute 1.

 

Time for these to go - not long ago this would have been a possible first team but they are not fit for purpose, sadly in the case of Mata. Think how much we could shave from the monthly wage bill.

Henderson (We have plenty of cover for GK, Heaton, Grant and room for one more)
Lindelof, Bailly. Jones (Williams, Tuanzebe and Mengi are in the wings and more than capable)
Pogba. Mata, Lingard, Matic, Pereira (Hannibal and Pellistri are young and hungry and if we get ten Hag DVB might turn up)
Martial, Greenwood, Cavani, Chong (Elanga and Shoretire are showing promise but a new addition to the strike force would be welcome)

 

Some interesting points made by Gary Neville regarding a 'reset' for the club, here he elaborates on his 'five point plan', much which i fully agree with

• Stop taking dividends out of the club
• Sell £500m worth of shares to supporters to pay off debt
• Knock down Old Trafford, build a new stadium and sell naming rights
• Build a new training ground to compete with rivals
• Invest £100-150m a year in the 'sporting project'

https://www.skysports.com/football/...by-glazer-family-implementing-five-point-plan

 

Should've started that ages ago.

How do you get around rebuilding Old Trafford? Where do we play and how much revenue will the Glazers lose because of it?

I'm not sure you need to build a new training ground. United could do well enough just improving Carrington.

It's probably all academic anyway bcos there's fck all chance the Glazers will do any, let alone all, of that.

 

The training ground thing is just nonsense, what more do they actually need to train on?

That would be a waste of money, so they should focus on the other stuff.

Nothing much wrong with Old Trafford, arena wise.

It definitely needs the concourse and leisure/welfare areas sorted though. There must be a way of doing this, at least at ground floor level.

Needs another tier on SAF stand, which is the biggest problem given the railway and houses behind it.

To rebuild, they'd have to do it on a different footprint, which would be on the large parking areas towards Trafford Park. That way, keep using Old Trafford up to the point it has to actually be pulled down.

I'd rather a refurbishment myself, you'd end up with 85k comfortably sat/safely stood, if they could put another tier on.

If they have to knock down and rebuild, then we're looking at sharing the Empty, or having to use Wembley for a couple of seasons.

And neither is a starter.

 

^^^^^ needs to offer his services

 

Credit to their consulting engineers, but Spurs managed a similar feat of rebuilding around an existing stadium with the minimum of disruption. Admittedly they had to play a few games at Wembley..............

 

I'd love to!

Looking at GF's picture above, the new stadium footprint is (apparently) not as close to Old Trafford as this, but this shows that projects like this are definitley achievable.

However, there is a narrative out there that Old Trafford is 'falling apart'. It's anything but, it just needs a revamp. It's Old Trafford ffs, it's definitlely iconic and olaces like there and, dare I say it Anfield, need to be kept in the same place if at all possible.

The thing that bugs me about OT is having to leave my seat (at least) 5 minutes before half time to stand any chance of getting a beer before the second half kicks off!

They need to update their bars, and at the very least be able to serve an actual pint, instead of the ****e warm plastic bottle piss they churn out.

They also need to give more space to seating, which might well compromise attendance figures but they can make up that slack by having a larger, or two larger, safe standing areas.

 

If you look at the footprint of the new stadium compared to the old WHL it is almost twice the size and it sits tightly within a mixed residential and light industrial area with no dedicated parking. Compare that to the amount of ground available within the OT/parking footprint there is adequate scope to build a brand-new state of the art 85/90k seater stadium on much the same principal as WHL, keep using OT until it is consumed by the replacement.

 

I thought the idea was moving the new stadium to where the rail yard containers are, and into car park W3?

That way, new stadium is built while Old Trafford is still used.

Old Old Trafford then gets pulled down in the summer. Not sure we'd even have to play elsewhere if this happens.

 

Interesting that Rangnick seems to have “gone all in” or simply given up in his attempt to build a proper team for the rest of the season. Astonishingly he said that many players are not the right players for the club. Not physical enough. Basically saying they are not good enough. Does he hope by saying that to change the attitude of the players for the better or is he simply making things worse with players now in full revolt against him? Even if he is right, is it ever sensible to so openly criticise and humiliate your players? Rangnick risks not only losing the players but also the fans.

As an interesting aside, we have now done a full 180 degree turn. At the beginning of the season, we had a really good squad of top players prepared to challenge for the title. We only had one crap manager to change and we would become the finished article. That was the view of pundits, football reporters and many here. Now those same players are not good enough, not physical enough. The same squad that won 2nd and 3rd last seasons now deemed not suitable for the club and that the club should never have bought them in the first place. Unbelievable.

The new manager has a huge task in building a team. Not assembling a group of expensive stars but a group of players who play for each other as a team. Difficult decisions would need to be taken. But the first and most important step is getting the right manager and giving him time to build.

 

I'm in complete agreement. For all the press talk, for all the supposed leaks from the dressing room about Poch being the squad's 'preferred' candidate for the manger's job (when did the tail start wagging the dog) my instincts now are to go for Ten Hag. We get shot of the moaners and groaners from the first team squad and let him work his magic with the U23 players - something that he seemingly excels at. Get rid of the prima donnas, get the youngsters in with a a manager that supports youth development and see what happens - it honestly can't get any worse.

And as Rooney has just said on MNF on Sky, what is the point of being in CL contention next season - we'd be crap. I'm not saying we don't challenge for a CL spot in the PL, but the expectations going on from that have to be realistic, we can't let it become a distraction from the serious business od rebuilding and establishing a sustainable model for success in the PL.

 

For all the talent we have at our disposal this must be one of the worst teams we’ve had. That formation Rangnick used didn’t work against city and he’s not learnt and used it again. Awful. For Leicester to dominate us at OT and feel disappointed to just get a point shows how bad we currently are. Yes, we’ve got to blame the players too but Rangnick is really not helping things.

 

Personally, I think it is a case of the more experienced players looking at Rangnick and saying 'who the **** are you to tell us what to do - what the **** have you achieved' As we both know, there is no point re-visiting the argument that at least Ole had the respect of the squad - all this 'wanabe' has done is blown an already fragile squad to ****.

 

Rangnick has the luxury of being able to point out the obvious as he didn't sign a single one of those players.

So he can point out, correctly, that recruitment has been piss poor and that mentally and physically they aren't up to it.

One or two are, well four or five probably, but the rest are just half arsed.

I also think ten Hag would be a good fit but, to be honest, if he didn't come and Poch did, I think he'd do a good job as well. A far better job then the last four mangers we've had anyway, which includes Rangnick.

As Arsenal are losing, fourth is still very much in reach.

Is there any point though?

 

Good job he isn't the new manager then really

He is a great assessor of players though which is why he is with us, some players have fallen far short of expectations.