Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?
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The problem with sacking him mid-season is that none of the preferred candidates would be let go by their respective clubs, so we either stick with RVN until the end of the season or risk rushing in to hire one of the jobless crew that nobody else wants - Potter, Southgate et al. Hopefully they will block out the noise from whatever happens for the rest of the season and keep a laser focus on who the club really needs, and certainly not keep RVN whatever results he achieves - we've been there before..
Here are some odd's, so maybe Amorim could walk mid season, if he's so highly favoured. The bookie will have insight on who has been spoken to.
Ancelotti, for instance, not even mentioned on this list, so I'm assuming these are 'available' candidates.
Ancelotti, for instance, not even mentioned on this list, so I'm assuming these are 'available' candidates.
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I read somewhere this morning that RM are looking to replace Ancelotti with Alonso next season. Good timing, if true.
So much for the bookies - RVN hasn't kicked a ball yet and he's the bookie's favourite. Some chance.
Sounds like Amorim, an absolute 100% positive appointment if it happens.
Let him get on with it, and do his thing.
Not sure yet if it's this season or starts next summer. If he's coming, might as well come now, get on with it.
See the season out, take a good look, and chuck the garbage in the bin.
Let him get on with it, and do his thing.
Not sure yet if it's this season or starts next summer. If he's coming, might as well come now, get on with it.
See the season out, take a good look, and chuck the garbage in the bin.
ETH should have never been kept beyond the end of last season. He had hit the ceiling. But I don’t think anyone would have predicted we would lose 4 of 9 games into the new season after the investments made in the summer. Just unprecedented!
I hope he doesn’t get some crazy payoffs. Those should be predicated on minimum required performance in my opinion because poor performances leading to a sack ends up turning into a very damaging affair for the club at large. The manager should not be profiting from it.
I hope he doesn’t get some crazy payoffs. Those should be predicated on minimum required performance in my opinion because poor performances leading to a sack ends up turning into a very damaging affair for the club at large. The manager should not be profiting from it.
We are supposedly getting Amorim who has done very well in the Belgium league, but Ten hag did well in the Dutch league and it dind.nt transfer to the PL with us.
I have my doubts about this choice if we get him because we will still have much the same squad who i put the most blame on for our poor performancies.
I hope to **** he's a strong manager who has no fear of dropping players who are'nt putting a shift in because when most of them try we have a good team.
Amorim is with Sporting Lisbon which can be argued is better than the Belgian league and Dutch league. But I don’t think that’s relevant when it comes to getting the right fit that can bring the best out of the players.
We’ve obviously argued over this point of blaming the players. The players are not the problem. If they were, they wouldn’t make the cut with their national teams. We have class players, but we need a manager with a vision and ability to know when to switch up the tactics. Certainly one that isn’t afraid to pick players strictly based on merits and not their pay scales.
Marcus Rashford doesn't current get into the England squad. Nor does Mason Mount or Harry Maguire. De Ligt didn't get into the Netherlands Euro's team. Antony is no longer a Brazilian international, nor is Casemiro. So, half of them don't make the cut with their national teams.
The positives here are that his preferred style is a back three, which we are crying out for I personally think, This suits the players we have currently. He 'discovered' Ugarte, so that might cement his place if the midfield three has him at the fulcrum. Personally, with wing backs, I would then have Mount and Mainoo either side of him, but we'll see. The front three is then made of the many 'wide' players we have, with Bruno and the two alleged strikers in the mix.
If he can get a tune out of Antony as a left wing back for instance, that could work. He does track back and like to defend, he can't be much worse an actual defender than Dalot.
He then needs to get shut of some of the garbage. If Rashford doesn't like what he sees, he can leave. Eriksen and Casemiro both most likely in their final season. Maguire and Lindelof would leave, I would guess the preferred back three being Yoro, De Ligt and Martinez, with maybe Shaw moving inwards as well, if he is ever fit
I also wonder how many of the 'injured' players, like Shaw and Mount, suddenly become fit now Ten Hag las left.
The Portuguese league is a 100% stronger than Holland by the way, and he broke the big two stranglehold of Benfica and Porto. Admittedly, it's not so much a two team league as Scotland, Spain or Germany for instance, but he's the equivalent to Atletico Madrid, Leverkusen, Aberdeen winning the title. And he's done it twice, and is flying this season.
Last internationals call up had 8 players from the first team, Chief. So pointing at players that didn’t make it when in actual fact most of them were playing for their national teams in recent times. But the terrible form at the club has impacted their call up chances. It’s the case of chicken before the egg. But there should be no argument that the team is flushed with talents.
Again, we need to move from blaming the players. That thought-process is deeply flawed! With the investments made in since ETH arrived, it is absolutely ridiculous to keep bringing up how players are not good enough and are to blame for the shoddy performances or lack of spirit. That has been the drum beat for the longest of time and to what end? Spend more?!
What is wrong at the club is the lack of coaching, the rigid system the players are deployed in, and how they are told (or not told) to execute. Period!
Rodri just won player of the year. Before joining City, he was just another player. But Pep has somehow found a way to bring the best out of him. Was Salah good enough when he joined Liverpool? The league is filled with players deemed not good enough at some point but turned out to be gems.
But here at United. We want guarantees! We have zero vision on how to turn a rough gems into diamonds. We stifle player development at the club. Ironically, Sir Ratcliffe actually made similar point when he took over. Spending and more spending is not the solution! Resourcefulness is the answer and we need a manager that can do just that.
Again, we need to move from blaming the players. That thought-process is deeply flawed! With the investments made in since ETH arrived, it is absolutely ridiculous to keep bringing up how players are not good enough and are to blame for the shoddy performances or lack of spirit. That has been the drum beat for the longest of time and to what end? Spend more?!
What is wrong at the club is the lack of coaching, the rigid system the players are deployed in, and how they are told (or not told) to execute. Period!
Rodri just won player of the year. Before joining City, he was just another player. But Pep has somehow found a way to bring the best out of him. Was Salah good enough when he joined Liverpool? The league is filled with players deemed not good enough at some point but turned out to be gems.
But here at United. We want guarantees! We have zero vision on how to turn a rough gems into diamonds. We stifle player development at the club. Ironically, Sir Ratcliffe actually made similar point when he took over. Spending and more spending is not the solution! Resourcefulness is the answer and we need a manager that can do just that.
Appointing ANY new manager is always a risk.
We could have said this about Mourinho when Chelsea first appointed him in 2004.
By this rationale you would ONLY EVER appoint managers that have managed in the PL, and that would be daft.
Same could have been said for Pep when City hired him, he had only ever managed Barca and Bayern who are pretty much the the top teams in their respective leagues.
The issue is whether they can adapt their management style to suit the Premier League, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.
But you have to take the risk, otherwise your pool of available managers would be tiny, and we'd be in a cycle where by only Big Sam, Moyes, Lampard and Potter are being bounced around amongst ALL the PL teams, and that would be **** wouldnt it?
Basically what you would be saying is no manager is good enough for the PL unless they have won their league and/or CL with an unfavoured foreign team. Which means we would have gotten no Klopp, no Tuchel, No Pep, No Wenger.......stupid.
Only Fergie, Jose, Emery and Rafa have won domestic or European titles with an unfavoured club that I can recall in the PL era. Theres probably more but of the successful managers in recent PL times, those are the only ones I can recall.
Yeah, that's great.
FYI, Simon Stone is a joke of a BBC 'reporter' who just posts an article about United every single day.
Who is he (or even you?) suggesting that isn't a risk?
Good luck.
Absolute LOL. He was the single most sought after central midfield player in Europe. City just threw the most money at him to get him.
Was Haaland just another player too?
It's really not, it's because they aren't good enough.
Dalot and Lindelof, for example, were signed by Mourinho. It's really not Ten Hag's fault that they are still unable to defend, they just aren't that good.
That all said, we should definitely be able to form a winning team out of the squad we have, if played in the correct formation. I'm adamant even I could do it!
I think Amorim will too.
Looking forward to ruining the career of another promising manager ..
