Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

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It is the only club in the world that have no money, but then buy all the players they want': Baffled Bayern boss Julian Nagelsmann takes aim at Barcelona.
 
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cytrax said:
I believe that the biggest thing that we will have this season is a change in mentality and become more resilient. This has been the biggest downfall for us in recent years.

As much as everyone hates LvG, he was the strongest when it came to mentality to operate under pressure. But his methods became difficult for players to grasp.

Mourinho did a decent job but he subsequently lost the dressing room because of his mentality in the face of adversity.

I believe Ole initially benefited from the relief bounce from Jose’s era which ended on a very toxic note. It gave the whole team a lift by having the nicest guy and the legend in charge. But it was only a matter of time for it to become clear that the team needed innovative ideas to become better. This ultimately never came because Ole didn’t have it. Then to top it off, Ole’s mentality of being too nice led to the team lacking sense of direction that would have come from a strong manager with precise demand.

Enter Rangnick! There was the initial promise of a shift toward progressive football when Rangnick took over. But ultimately, the season was already dead in the water and he never even had a leverage as an interim manager amongst the egos within the team. Further, the lack of signings to shore up a sht egocentric team in January showed that the club had by then given up on the season and had started planning for the next.

There were still talks toward the end of the season that the club should have gone for Conte. Even in hindsight, I think that it was wise of the club to pass on Conte given the complex dynamics at the club. Conte’s siege is not the team needs. What we needed was get a manager that wasn’t an emotional choice nor one dictated by the media as an “obvious” choice.

It is still early days to even talk about how things will go for the team under Ten Hag. But one thing that is definitively clear is that he is clear in his vision and he communicates that vision effectively. He is also fairly hands-on with implementing a system from the training sessions that we’ve seen so far. But most importantly, he is strictly result-driven.

In the preseason games so far, it is also clear that he knows that this is work in progress. He has not provided any hints of celebrating what are largely meaningless games. Watching him on the touch lines, you almost get the sensation that he wants far more from the players. Biggest test will be when the chips are down. But I believe ETH has the right tools to pick up the team when all is lost.

In close, I see ETH as the perfect manager for our current predicament. The club did the right thing to wait until the end of the season to get him in as opposed to trying to stop the bleed midway through last season. There wouldn’t have been enough time for any manager to work with that mess, or at best even a better manager would have only made the team marginally better as opposed to a full 180 turnaround.
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****ed if I'm reading that.



Pre season has been promising so far, with the caveat of course that it is exactly that, pre season kick abouts.

We still need that midfield signing. McTominay isn't good enough and it's absolutely pointless saying 'just use youth' when this quite clearly is not an immediate option.
Youth needs to be integrated, not thrown in. Significantly, ETH has been using McTominay and not Garner pre season, which shows where the latter actual is in the pecking order of the manager.

So, de Jong still needs to be signed. Or Neves. Finished article experience. We've also got DVDB back in the fold.

I'm less concerned by the Ronaldo situation, if he can find someone willing to pay his wages in the champions league then fine, cheerio. Otherwise, I guess we're stuck with him and he can sit on the bench for most of the games while Martial bangs in the goals!

We shouldn't be looking for a striker this window, we need that CM signing as the last remaining priority.
 
And before anyone asks - yes, all 100 of the new Barca signings can play on the pre-season tour. They aren't (as yet) registered and therefore permitted to play in any La Liga fixture. Just saying
 
glazerfodder said:
And before anyone asks - yes, all 100 of the new Barca signings can play on the pre-season tour. They aren't (as yet) registered and therefore permitted to play in any La Liga fixture. Just saying
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Frenkie de Jong 'DOESN'T want to sign for Man United because he doesn't like Manchester or the club's erratic running'... and £71.5m star prefers Bayern Munich or CHELSEA if Barcelona force him out

This is the dumbest headline. Especially with reference to “the club’s erratic running”. I wasn’t sure if that was referring to Barca or just clubs in Spain in general.
 
cytrax said:
You are becoming such a lil bit*, Chief! What’s going on with you?
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I find it difficult to take a person seriously when they whine and moan about pursuing a player because he's expensive and unavailable and then in the next breath suggests going after Declan Rice.

Who is, guess what, not for sale and would cost in the region of £150 million.

Decide which hat you're wearing and stick with it.
 
The 'Doesn't want to sign' piece comes from Sport which is, as I've said before just a supermarket checkout gossip rag. They have no more insight into the transfer than the Queen.
 
Chief said:
I find it difficult to take a person seriously when they whine and moan about pursuing a player because he's expensive and unavailable and then in the next breath suggests going after Declan Rice.

Who is, guess what, not for sale and would cost in the region of £150 million.

Decide which hat you're wearing and stick with it.
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Chief, be productive and stop your perpetual “whining” about another user online!

We are here to talk football and about the club. If an opinion shared doesn’t match yours, either respond constructively or simply ignore the person.

I am not sure why you are hell bent on killing the vibe on an already quiet forum with your useless football aloofness! Get over your fkin self, will ya?!
 
Soz mate, but no.

Yes it's a forum about opinion, I find your soundbites plucked from whetever media you read boring.

Like I said, if you do have stance, stick to it.
Suggesting we pursue the completely unattainable Declan Rice and as an alternative to de Jong is laughable to be absolutely honest.

What makes you think we'd stand a chance, given you've done nothing but moan and sneer at our allegedly failed transfer window thus far?

Sorry if that upsets you like.
 
Chief said:
Soz mate, but no.

Yes it's a forum about opinion, I find your soundbites plucked from whetever media you read boring.

Like I said, if you do have stance, stick to it.
Suggesting we pursue the completely unattainable Declan Rice and as an alternative to de Jong is laughable to be absolutely honest.

What makes you think we'd stand a chance, given you've done nothing but moan and sneer at our allegedly failed transfer window thus far?

Sorry if that upsets you like.
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Pssst! You take yourself way too seriously, dude!
 
Well no, not really.

The 'not reading that' is a much used joke line on the Premier league forum.
Wasn't meant to be taken seriously and, as it goes, I did read it.

Truth is, I think a load of it is bollocks to be honest.

If you can't handle someone questioning what you say in a football forum there's no hope and no point being here (don't go to the premier league forum ffs by the way).

I'd say this if we were sat face to face in a pub, if I think you're talking ****e I would say. And I do, often.

Feel free to say likewise.
 
How many strong opinion blow ups have I had here? I probably own the record with Ole fans. But it should never get to the point whereby we become resentful of someone because of their differing views. And that’s how you come across.

Like I alluded to earlier, this forum is for football discussions which is largely rudimentary in the grand of meaningful debates. Therefore, the concept of “wrong” and “right” opinions are largely pointless narratives for anyone to overly waste time trying to decipher while pounding the table.

Anyhow, let’s not derail the thread any further. I’ll leave it there, Chief.
 
That's how it comes across to you.

I'm not resentful of your views, there's a completely different word for it tbh.

Anyway, what I don't get is why you whinge about us going for de Jong while ignoring the reasons why Ten Hag wants him, then whinge that we haven't closed the deal, while completely again ignoring the (very valid) reasons why that has not yet happened.

Then suggest we just employ youth (great idea in principle, but in practice the names you mention are too green to just be deemed first team starters yet), while also suggesting Rice, who Ten Hag clearly hasn't asked the club to sign.

Can you imagine if we do pursue Rice?

Now, middle of the window while the manager is on tour. West Ham don't want, and probably financially don't need, to sell. So they'd put a ludicrous price tag on him.

Then the whole scenario is played out in the media as we try to 'persuade' the player to come to us, which you've already made perfectly plain you don't support. It's a daft idea.

Say what you like about me, at least my approach is consistent and clear. And they aren't steered by the media narrative.
 
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Anyway, there is apparently some movement towards Tielemans as an alternative.

Personally, I don't think he's anywhere near as good as de Jong but could be a useful squad player.
I fail to see him being any better than van De Beek myself but has at least played premier league football for a couple of season, even though hot and cold.

Would provide experience while Garner finds his feet (or not) I suppose.

Think Neves would be a more ready made first team player.
 
I'd prefer Neves as an alternative, however, the media ****storm is blowing stronger than ever but I still think we'll get de Jong - I read about it in the supermarket checkout today.
 
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You’re ranting needlessly, Chief.

But I’ll restate why I don’t it is useless chasing after De Jong… Barca! That is the only reason why I do not care for it. I have started that several times and consistent with it. I have never seen a deal agreed for weeks yet no one knows if it is coming or going.

It is a cluster mess!

Further, I have consistently said that fixation on a single player has never worked out for us. The player eventually comes in and underwhelms. This has consistently been the case with out transfer policies that seek out one player by any means necessary.

On Rice; please don’t get all “football rocket science” again. It was a hypothetical statement which obviously flew over your head.

Again, it’s fkin football forum. If you want to continue to analyze every fkin statement for contradictions like your life depends on it, please continue!
 
I wonder what might have happened had SAF given upon the pursuit of King Eric........................... patience is a virtue, EtH seems to know what he's doing so let's leave him get on with it.,
 
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