Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

“Jesse Lingard has shared a social media post after seemingly being denied an Old Trafford farewell during Manchester United’s win over Brentford on Monday night.

Lingard has endured a woeful campaign in Manchester and is among a host of players set to leave when his contract expires at the end of the season having initially joined United at nine years old.”

This is an example of what’s wrong with this club. You can only use three substitutes, yet Lingard thinks that he is so much more deserving than everyone else on the bench. It is unbelievable that this kind of shhh even becomes news. Only at United!!

ETH reset please!

 

You think United made this news?

 

i was thinking along the same lines. CR coming into a dressing room was bound to have an effect on the players. Positive and negative and there is nothing people can do about it. Some players feel inferior while some are boosted. Again not CR’s fault if some of his mates cannot cope with his presence either consciously or subconsciously . Greenwood’s absence has affected us much more that we had thought or expected.

Our midfield needs redoing. Pogba should leave and that will leave Fernandes bearing the creative burden. Sancho and Elanga are promising as wide players. We clearly need another top level attacking MF and at least one probably two top strikers and we need more physical players too. We are the easiest team to play against when we don’t have possession. Any pressing is hardly consistent. It’s either done reluctantly or done by only a few of the front players. Utd used to be known as one of the hardest teams to play against. Nowadays we give teams an incredible number of chances per game. Watching City and the RS you can see how much harder their midfield work when out of possession compared to ours.

 

Not at all. Not United. But a United player is always in the middle of idiotic news events as Jesse’s brother posted.

Actually, why are we talking about this? lol

 

Read the quote from his brother, was nearly crying (with laughter )

 

I couldn’t believe it. It was actually hilarious! I thought it was a parody lol

 

“Jesse Lingard: Manchester United forward resigned to leaving Old Trafford after feeling let down by club”

Messi is leaving OT!

 

Phil Neville believes Manchester United made a mistake by not giving David Moyes more time and says the way they treated their former manager was ‘totally wrong’.

These guys are half witted! That assertion by Phil Neville is strictly based on what Moyes is doing at West Ham. We are talking ten years on for Moyes to finally prove something to himself. But we are still talking West Ham! I guess his logic is that if Moyes had the resources then he could win the league which again is a pie-in-the-sky statement.

Moyes could not even conduct decent interviews when he was at United. He was the wrong man for the job. The biggest mistake was employing him as a manager to begin with. We should have gone for a top manager right after Sir Alex left instead of taking unnecessary risk with Moyes.

 

Not sure I agree with you on this.

I always thought he was a reasonable appointment who should have been given more time. I agree some (a lot actually) of the stuff he said was just putting the noose round his own neck, but I can see why he was seen as a sound appointment as he'd been working in the premier legaue for a while at a club of some stature and it should have been the case that he kick on and be able to move a rung up.

I don't think he was really given full opportunity or backing to do that. At that time, a lot of people just saw the team that had just won the league in decline and blamed him, without looking at the bigger picture. Which was he was given the job of effectively a complete rebuild, the last Ferguson side was on its last legs and had not been refreshed due to the ****ing Glazers.

The Glazers then panicked when he wasn't going to get CL football. Thing is, they subsequently tried the employment of the 'big name' managers with the next two, and that didn't work either. So who's to say it would immediately after Ferguson?

It was van Gaal who set us back so far behind the likes of City and Liverpool, not Moyes. Moyes never really go the chance.

And now, after one risk, two 'top managers', an absolute out of his depth novice, and an interim, we are going back to someone also deemed to be a risk, in that he's not a 'top manager'. At least Ten Hag has had success though, that monkey is already off his back.

 

I think Moyes might have stood a much better chance if he had kept Fergie's coaching and backroom team. I know it's now the norm for incoming managers to bring everyone but their wife from their old team, but getting rid of all of them at a stroke did for him as much as anything.

 

I agree that he should have been given more time. However I still don’t think he would have been a success and would probably have gone in 2 or 3 years. This may sound illogical but I believe that permanent managers should be given a chance, especially as he’s been a long contract. Moyes wasn’t given that but his behaviour and his rabbit caught in the headlights demeanour didn’t do him any favours, Also he should have been more PR savvy. When you are the manager of the current champions you don’t publicly admit in a humiliating fashion that you aim to reach the level of City the challengers. One of the worst suicidal interviews in football. Even though you might think it privately. His naive sacking of all the old heads with their own precious team, squad and organisational memory would have been so useful to him. But he decided to bring his own team which included a young inexperienced Phil Neville. Hardly an adequate replacement for the experienced coaches he sacked.

 

Completely agree he made loads of clangers but it was a bloke trying to make his own mark post Fergie.

His comments about City, and also Liverpool being favourites in a match at Old Trafford, we're definitely his biggest crimes.

I didn't mind him bringing his own team in, the problem was they were absolutely ****e and nothing more than nodding dogs.

Should probably have kept Phelan.

And Gill leaving at the same time as Fergie, to be replaced by Woodward, made his job very difficult.

 

What I found strange, was that clearly someone had told him our game was all about our wingers.... so EVERY game he'd have them getting it out wide and lobbing crosses in.

Cross cross cross cross cross cross cross cross......

That season I think we suffered more crosses than Dracula.

I thought to myself, does he honestly think that's all we ever did? And surely after the first dozen or so failed matches, maybe try something different?

 

Could do with some of that now, eh?

Although not all of it, obvs!!


Van Gaal put the idea of any attacking whatsoever in reverse as soon as he turned up.

 

Yeh it went from crosses to playing sideways ad infinitum.

Had the goals been moved to the side lines we'd have won the league

 

I watching Smalling playing for Roma against Leicester.

He looks bloody solid tonight tbh.

 

Van Gaal was definitely the worst manager of the lot. For the only time in my life I preferred to go shopping instead of watching Utd. There was this second leg CL match against a Dutch team I think which we needed to win to go through. We had our players passing at the back and sideways for the first 60 minutes. W.T.F.? That was the last straw for me and I had known for a while he was completely unsuitable for us and this match confirmed it. I remember a post match interview which we lost.”It wasn’t too bad” he said “ we had more than 70% possession and we had more corners than them.”. Absolute idiot. I cheered when he got sacked despite winning the FA Cup.

 

These points are well stated! Why get a wrong manager and then start hanging onto hope thinking that the end result will somehow justify the faith? It’s a stupid strategy for success. Just imagine bringing Moyes back for a second! I

Overall, I don’t think that it is productive going back to ten years and suggesting that it was one manager or another that took us back to the present moment. Even when ten Haag comes in, I wouldn’t buy an argument that Ole should bare any responsibility if things don’t click, especially if he gets players in this summer which is expected. And to a large extent, results since Rangnick took over are his to own. Not Ole’s!

A consistent fact is that we have been getting either the wrong managers, or simply not giving the decent ones enough support when needed (Jose in particular, and Moyes to a far lesser extent).

With the resources of this club, I think that it is fair to expect a competitive team next season. We would need to see progress made within six months - philosophy translated into full commitment on the pitch and good games for paying fans even when we lose.

 

Humiliation at Brighton. However bad the players are supposed to be but the current capitulation by the team against a team with the lowest goals at home in all leagues is simply disgusting. The whole thing must be the responsibility of the manager. His incompetence has been extraordinary. The team completely clueless and disorganised. Humiliated by City and the RS bad enough but Brighton?

4-0 and it could be 7-0 at the end. Rangnick has been an utter failure.

 

Why are you so upset 2 games before the end of the season, with a change of manager and a complete overhaul happening?

I hate to have to keep reminding you but the season was gone 6 months ago. And I've been looking forward to the end of the season since Feb. I'm not even upset by it cos nothing that's happening matters going forward. All I care about is the summer and the new guy coming in.