Are Newcastle also better then us now? Because they are also 3 points ahead and have had a great start to the season. With the amount of games played, I think its not right to say one team is better then the other. Especially when the gap is still only 3 points. Spurs might have a game in hand but they need to win it. The NL derby was imo a close game and that Arsenal team was still in the process of finding their feet as an attacking unit.
Spurs fan's opinion. Derby results are a case of the battle and not the war. The North London Derby up until a few seasons ago was the exception to the local derbies in the Prem as no matter how bad Everton and City have been they've always managed to take points off the higher flying local rival. I never thought that your poor form would last all season and I think it'll be close run between us, we may well be in the mix with Chelsea or just battling for the one remaining spot. Not forgetting Liverpool who are still going strong.
What's wrong is that it is false and you only say it to wind true fans up so you can then cry about how your feelings have been hurt when we hit back., This in turn brings your posse of the lobotomised out of their playpens to massage your bruised ego, so feeding your craving for man love. You stupidly claim the spuds are better than us and use criteria to back it up that when applied, makes Blackburn Rovers better than us also. They both have 2 wins and a draw against us since the start of the 2010 season. The power shift is complete
My insulting you is akin to the gag reflex. If someone farts in the lift I automatically put my hand over my nose. If you make an anti gooner post I reply with a justifiable expletive aimed at the prick that posted it (mostly you). You post to wind fans up and when you achieve your aim, you then cry about it. It's all part of your game and fortunately many see you for what you are, despite your couple of man friends popping up to succour you once in a while. Power shift my arse you mug.
I'll give an honest assessment of where I see Tottenham. I agree with the OP, this is the most talented squad they've had for many years, probably the best group since the 80s and whether you love or loath the man 'Arry does get his teams playing for him so the improvement isn't a shock. Are they better than us, I think it's very difficult to say, both teams were unsettled in the Summer with Arsenal coming out worse in the exchanges, but the fact Tottenham lost their opening two games 3-0 to Utd and 5-1 to City confirms they are far from title challengers - and for the benefit of any Tottenham fans lurking in here I don't see us as challengers either. Of their recent competitive fixtures they mauled an average Liverpool team who played the last 30 mins with 9 men and beat us in a game that could have gone either way and which also came at a time when our squad was still establishing some sort of relationship/understanding. I'm not getting carried away that our recent run makes us world beaters and I'm sure most realistic Tottenham fans are saying the same about their team, but the gap between the two clubs is as narrow now as it's ever been and man for man there's no getting away from this, I don't however share the view that the power shift is complete, we've finished above Tottenham 16/17 years running and even if they are above us come May I couldn't say a one-off league table confirms anything. I'll be controversial here but I like the fact that Tottenham are competitive, the league needs more than 2 clubs and they are playing decent football and entertaining people
Good post. So much better than the other clown who states our manager is ****, our defence is **** and Spurs are better than us. It is possible to post a critique of our team without drawing attacks from true fans, but some deliberately set out on a wind up by going OTT. Once again Grizzly, good job on a balanced post.
Good post And I agree that healthy competition makes for an exciting season - the aim is not to finish above Arsenal but to finish in the CL places! If you end up third then I couldn't care less as long as we are 4th
Pretty much this. Jayram is clearly being overly negative about Arsenal and there is definately no powershift. For that to happen you need one club being dominant over the other, and we clearly don't have that. Yes Tottenham have the best team in ages and in some areas, they are a bit better than us. But overall, we are quite evenly matched now, even after with all our departures! The only standout team at the moment seems to be Man City and that too could change soon. As Grizzly said, all this does is add to the excitment of the Premiership, and may it continue!!!
Try SEVENTEEN years since they last finished above us. That is a true measure of who is the dominant force in N London. Or two doubles, four league title, five FA cups and Fifteen years of champions league football, compared to Spurs' 1 season of CL football and the Carling cup in the same period. Powershift
Good post but as Superal said, finishing above Arsenal is not our objective it'd simply be something extra to smile about at the end of the season. Qualifying for the CL is far more important and it's been greatly exaggerated that there's a concensus amongst us that there is a "North London power shift" or that we even use that word. Much more amusing that far more of your fans seem to think it's a certainty that we will falter and you'll finish ahead of us. We heard all the same things from Liverpool 2 years ago.
When Utd were having their indifferent patch last year, were we the better team? Over the course of a season different teams can be on the ascendency. The way to judge how good a team is would be at the end of the season, what they did with what they had. Over the course of this season so far one could arguably say Spurs have been better than us and City or Utd better than them. You may with justification also say Newcastle have shown better form than us but the picture at this stage is not a complete one. Our record over the years by comparison with Spurs is by far the more enviable. Could they stay ahead of us at the end of the season? It's possible just as it's possible we could be ahead of them, Newcastle and Liverpool. And as has been said, possibly even Chelsea. It all boils down to who keeps good form all the way. We've begun to hit good form albeit still very much reliant on our captain so we need to get the team performing at their best, shore up our weaknesses and take each game as it comes. By holding it all together better than the others will determine what happens this season and whether indeed Tottenham's best side for a while may be better than ours. We've had a bad patch. Who's to say they won't have theirs? I just hope we don't have another one although that seems less likely now than it did five EPL games ago.
There is no so called power shift at this moment in time but things are pretty even . The lillywhites first 11 is maybe better on paper but none of us are deluded enough to think your lifeless archaic regime is about to fall.
Well we couldn't have played anyone else. In our first 9 games we've played 5 of the top 7 so it's not like we've had it all easy.
And I expect any Arsenal fan that doesn't require psychological treatment would be very happy with a 4th place finish with Tottenham 3rd, the teams targets cannot be compromised by any small minded prejudices. The more appropriate question I guess would be would Arsenal/Tottenham take finishing 5th with the other 6th, and the answer would for the sane majority be a resounding no....
I wouldn't bet against both of us being in the top 4 come December considering the up and coming fixtures for ourselves and the amount of games between the clubs around us!
Finishing 4th again after losing 3 first 11 players and not spending much on replacements would make it a good achievement but I could see why Arsenal fans would be left a little frustrated almost regardless of the outcome this season as you had the money to get in one or two top players yet we've seen you go for cheaper alternatives again, even if they might not be as young as they usually are. It'll be interesting to see, if Chelsea find themselves outside of the top 4 again this Christmas, whether Abramovich is willing to spend big again. He bought them Luiz and Torres last January and whilst they improve enough to get 2nd he might leave them to their own devices if they find themselves struggling again.
It wasnt an age ago when we beat the best team in the world, whilst they lost appallingly to the second best. Spurs are exactly where you would expect them to be at this stage of the season. We are Exactly where we dont expect to be. They only look good (compared to Arsenal ) because we have had the worst start to any season for 50 odd years.. Did they beat Barcelona yesterday or was it QPR ? did i miss something ? If maybe they had BEATEN man city at home 5 - 1 instead of losing 5-1 i might have a bit more sympathy with your argument. Spurs are where they are EVERY year . I think they will still be on channel 5 next year too.
The question of Chelsea's future is far more intriguing. Like you say , will Abram look at the Man City setup and say " i cant compete with that , im out " If Torres had proved his worth i might have said maybe he would retain his interest , but if he sees that 50 mil as wasted then he might be reluctant to spend much more. Of course we dont know where the new rules will leave everyone but you can bet they will find some way of circumventing them.
