The most annoying Exactly. The problem is that we now have the "entitled generation". They think they deserve everything and have to earn nothing. Their parents teach them it is always someone else's fault and attempt to justify rather than challenge their child's behaviour. "Obviously they did that becuase you..." "The rule is wrong." "You are picking on my beautiful, wonderful darling." "Listen, I believe my child, not you. She's my best mate."
100%. I work in IT and you see the 23-24 year olds that come in and can't understand that with their degrees they start at the bottom. Then they think they know everything. Then they tell me what I am doing is wrong. What they don't realise is that I have 20+ years experience at it and I have the people skills that you get as an older person to handle the important decisions. They just want the top jobs now and don't think that experience gives you more knowledge than a degree ever will....
Entitled generation always makes me chuckle. It's like that "life is so much easier for youngsters these days". Yet most young people can't even afford to buy their own home to live in like the older generations could. I think it is both easy and lazy for older generations to blame societies problems on the youth of today, when it was in fact them that built this society.
I am basing this on experience. They really don't have the same respect for their elders we had. I have seen a change in the last 13 years I've been teaching. Yes, most kids are still the same as ever. However, the percentage that thinks they are owed everything is growing. Children are far more likely to argue back now.
Exactly, the older generation has created the "blame someone else" culture and the young are the victims. Victims who now feel entitled to everything as they have been taught nothing is their fault. Victims who feel sorry for thmselves as they can't afford a house, even though my parents generation spent their youth without their own homes, renting crap holes, no minimum wage, no jobs. Victims who argue over first world issues, while the older generation went through wars and signs on B&V windows saying "no unemployed, no dogs, no blacks". Sorry, I agree that the older generations have caused problems, but tey have also foxed them. Just as the younger generations will. However, the entitled generation is real. I am seeing it in my classrooms more and more. It doesn't mean kids now are evil or worse - it is one facet of life regarding discipline which had undoubtedly changed.
I don't think people feel sorry for themselves because of house prices. I think people get annoyed that others assume life is so easy yet clearly in some ways it has got harder. I don't feel entitled to be able to buy my own home. Which is why I studied hard, graduated and got a well paid job. I worked hard and am getting results. I know you don't think ALL young people are "entitled" but you did come across as if you were generalising an entire demographic of people.
And in your response you generalised older people. Very hard not to have this conversation without generalisation. Generalisation is a pretty important part of the conversation, or I'd have to go through every kid I ever taught and explain my view that way. Tedious!
I didn't get that feeling of generalising, and our paths seem pretty similar with uni, buying a house and getting a decent job. I work hard for it, but I have met people of my age and younger that feel they are entitled to everything, but not all for that matter.
It took me and the very lovely Mrs Godders five years of overtime and working every hour we could plus going without to save up enough to convince the Bank Manager at the third time of asking to grant us a mortgage. No car, no holidays and a wedding reception in a church hall with our mums doing the food and her auntie making the cake. Stag night was a pub crawl round Windsor with my mates and up in the morning to church. They didn't have hen parties in those days. No honeymoon and no bank of mum and dad to help out. When we moved into our house we had nothing so borrowed unused furniture from family and bought a few pieces in a bric-a-brac shop. We were doing minimalism before it was fashionable. People are lying to you if they say we had it easy. The only good thing we had was no University fees and a local authority grant while at University and if we had dared to call it Uni we would have been considered illiterate and thrown out.
Give over whining about the next generation not being as good as yours. Your parents said it about you and theirs about them. This conversation has been going on for a while you know. "Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt" - Horace, Odes, written over two thousand years ago. Vin
Well you've jumped splat into a conversation you've missed all the nuances of and decided we should stop whining! Bravo. By the way, this is about changing attitudes, not who is best. Or does the fact attitudes have been changing for millenia disallow us from talking about it?
Wow, Spaced. I know you're on record as having said that I've never once posted anything that interested you so I'm quite amused by how interested you are in my post. I'm clearly improving. A more serious answer to your feeble outburst might be that it was a light-hearted rebuke pointing out through careful use of a quotation that the four Yorkshiremen have existed forever. Spaced, seriously, if I annoy you this much, put me on "ignore". Vin
My Grandfather in his house of logs said ; "the country's going to the dogs". His grandfather in the Flemish bogs said; "the country's going to the dogs". And his grandfather in his old skin togs said; "the country's going to the dogs". There's one thing I can state; "the dogs have had a good long wait".
Gentleman. You are fagpaper away from the four Yorkshireman sketch. Desist and have little self-awareness. You don't want to end up as a parody of yourselves!!!
Oh dear........how on earth has this thread turned into a disapproval between generations. All generations make mistakes or change things which others in the future will ask why did they do that? It is also true that younger generations tend to think that if an older person owns his own house that he has got it easy. For some reason they think the older generation just bought their houses cheaply and that the deposit was very low. I just cannot understand why they think it was so easy. With interest rates varying between between 7% and 15% (nobody had interest only mortgages then) It took me over ten years to save a deposit. In those 10 years house prices tripled in price, that's why it took so long to save the deposit. So trust me it wasn't so easy we borrowed the maximum we could and almost over night the interest rates went up to 15%. Trust me when I say we struggled just to keep our head above water especially with a young family. You youngsters probably won't believe me but what I say is true........