Leicester City v Newcastle United - Match Build Up Thread.. well sort of.

For clarity I'm not here meeting smug as he will be on BG duty with the royals..

 

The only big change will be a bigger SD advertisement board somewhere

 

Its very disappointing to see all this apathy. For ****s sake someone have a ranty meltdown

 

I honestly think whether we go down or not we will be stuck with Ashley for years or years. I don't think we'll bounce back like last time though. More likely to go the way of Wigan, Leeds and others.

 

Too late in the season to replace Carver. Ashley and Charnley have destroyed this club. The players don't want to play. That means we are relying on other teams. I suspect that it isn't just Carver. I think the players are simply fed up with the soap opera and lack of ambition.

 

35 points wont be enough but that is what we will finish on.

 

No doubt. At least we might get rid of all these pussies. To be honest though I've lost interest. Just bought a Garmin G8 Approach GPS for the golf, nice bit of kit. I only took fleeting interest in football today. There is cricket, snooker, horse racing to watch, all far more interesting than the Newcastle and the PL in general.

 

mystic[windy ] meg..mag

 

Even if we go down Ashley will still be here because no ****er in the right mind would buy us. We need any ****er just to come in to inspire us to get three points out of a possible nine. I can't actually believe I typed that but it is clear that Carver is not capable in anyway or form. The fans hate him and the players will now certaintly hate him after the comments towards them especially Williamson and if he ever cared about the club he would resign but he won't as even if a new manager comes in, he gets relegated to assissant and he has a cushty gig for the next five years! You just couldn't make any od this ****ing bollocks up!

 

PMSL

Irish Independent journalist Dion Fanning: "John Carver seems to have taken Nigel Pearson's midweek press conference as a personal challenge. Astonishing performance."

 

Thing is, I simply cannot be bothered now. There was a time when I would havd gone nuts after such a shocking peformance. But the reality is today isn't actually a shock any more, it's what I expect. I can't go into a meltdown as I'm past caring that much. A bit like Sissoko, Willo, Colo and the rest.

 

I said on another thread that replacing Carver with someone competent in the Summer represents a tiny bit of redemption for Ashley. Screw that. He needs to do it now. If McLaren is the choice man, he needs him in tomorrow. He needs to dip into that fcking £34m that belongs to NUFC and spend some immediately on getting McLaren and Round in before the players return on Monday, and in the Summer he needs to grow some bollox and get the rest of the "we luv Newcastle" coaching team out, but actually replaced.

I know he won't, of course, because both him and Charnley are a couple of utter bellends. And we will go down, of that there's no doubt. If the players weren't sick of Carver before today, they will be after that "if only they cared as much as I do" horsesh1t. We are comfortably the most embarrassing club in I would guess Europe. We are utterly unique and Ashley is responsible, thanks to his "if it works for SD, it'll work for a football club" garbage.

 

Can we please debunk the growing theory that Pardew was a good manager. He wasn't.

Here’s some statistics:

1. Alan Pardew is the first ever Newcastle United manager to lose 6 consecutive Premier League matches.
2. Since the beginning of the 12/13 season, Pardew’s Newcastle United have been in a losing position 26 times at half-time and never won. P26 W0 D2 L24.
3. Newcastle United have NEVER went beyond the fourth round of the League Cup or FA Cup under Alan Pardew.
4. Alan Pardew has lost as many Tyne-Wear derbies (3) as the last 22 Newcastle United managers combined.
5. NUFC failed to score directly from a corner in 102 consecutive games under Alan Pardew between 2012-2014.
6. No Premier League club suffered more home defeats in 2012-13 than NUFC under Alan Pardew.
7. Between 1993-2010 NUFC had lost 35 Premier League games by 3 goals or more. Since Alan Pardew arrived in 2010 NUFC have amassed 20 losses by the same margin (more than any other Premier League club)
8. In the 2013/14 season Alan Pardew’s Newcastle United lost 4 home games in a row without scoring a goal; the first time in the club’s entire history that this has happened.

How about another comparison to other NUFC managers and their last 24 games:

32 McFaul

32 Roeder

27 Smith

27 Souness

26 Allardyce (Only in charge 21 matches)

24 Ardiles

24 Pardew at West Ham

23 McGarry

23 Pardew at Charlton

22 Dinnis

21 Dalgish

18 Pardew

Alternatively lets break down Pardews 2014 W/D/L stats

L L W D L L L W W L W L L L L L L W L L D D L D L D W W W W W L D W L L L W

38 Games

L = 20
D = 6
W = 12

42 POINTS.

That is just survival; it's not good. He was famine or feast. We were not improving.

I readily accept that he was only one piece in a jigsaw puzzle and that others are also to blame including the players, the coaching, Charnley and Ashley. The point I am trying to make is that it is simply a distortion of the truth to say as a matter of fact that we would be better under Pardew and would not be in trouble. His record doesn't necessarily say that's true, he's not a Mourinho et al.

All the table currently tells us is that Carver is not up to the job. It most definitely doesn't tell us that Pardew was better or that we wouldn't be in the same position if he had stayed. The latter point is simply pure speculation.

Edit: The 3 sets of stats are "borrowed" off other sites. I haven't checked them as to be honest I'm not in the mood to do so.

 

On behalf of everyone connected with the city of Southampton I apologise. We were probably worse than you today. Hope you make it over the line...

 

Carver. Best manager on the planet. What other team in world football loses 8 matches on the bounce and keeps going with the sack of ****. Oh **** this. I think I'm going to piss on my toon top now.

i actually don't think he will. In all serious right now we are getting more publicity for his shag brand than ever. And I'm all seriousness he won't actually lose any money if we get relegated. He will either sell up. Or invest enough to get us back. It won't actually lose him money. The loss of income to a man that is worth 3-4 billion is negligible.

 

I'll give you another more recent stat - Pardew this season in charge of two poor teams has amassed 51 points from 31 games.We can all pick the bits which suit when in charge of poor sides. We can look at his overall record which given the ability of the players we have had and our ability to sell the better ones, is very good.

While it is impossible to say we would defo be safe by now with him, on all known evidence it would be highly probable. Certainly more likely than not. Again the point is not whether Pardew is an all time great, we all aspire to more. However it is about realism. The reality of who is in charge and what would follow. Its not saying it after the event, we all called it then, all the people who wanted Pardew to stay, did so full in the knowledge of what would follow. Its about making the best of a very bad situation.

Its no good dreaming thinking we'd do something positive and get a top manager. We were always going to Carver or further than down the ability scale than Pardew.

The FA Cup stuff is a waste of time - its club policy.

 

The most telling stat of all is that Pardew is a dish and Carver is nothing but a Jimmy out of Emmerdale tribute act.

 

I don't disagree with what you are saying BUT I'm not agreeing with it either.

Initially in his time here I would class myself as pro-Pardew. As his tenure continued I became disillusioned with him on a number of points such as his behaviour, his team selections, his substitutions, his tactics and his inability to consistently get the best out of our players.

I agree it was wrong to hound him out,. To say he shouldn't have gone before he actually left, I disagree. You don't not get rid of a manager who isn't up to the job because the replacement might be worse. Where the problem lies is in failing adequately to replace Pardew. That fault lies entirely in the hands of those in charge of this Club, be it Charnley or be it Ashley or be it both. It is a false arguement to say that because those in charge woefully failed to properly replace Pardew then it is the fans fault for what subsequently happens.

It was right at the time to get rid of Pardew ( I accept he actually left as opposed to his being sacked) and the problems we now face are not resulting from that fact but rather from the inadequate management of this Club in failing to get a proper replacement then rather than trying to save a few bob and do it in the summer.

 

We need '11 Jack Colback's' says Mr Carver. The man embarrasses himself every time he opens his mouth.

What a fat **** this man is.

 

I sort of agree with you. The part I have a problem with is that going after Pardew was the wrong target, and although Carver's ****eness shouldn't be used as a measure of Pardew, at the same time I think Pardew did a decent job out of a terrible situaion. It was feast or famine, but a lot of the famine was due to factors beyond his control. Thank Pards for the feast though cos without it we'd already be down.