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Leeds v Burnley match thread

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    But our converting of chances isn't bad imo. The strikers are converting the majority of chances created.
     
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  2. Clive Alive

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    We'd scored 12 goals at this stage last season with the same midfielders available. McDermott has since added a million pound midfielder and we've scored 6.
     
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  3. esteponawhite

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    And conceeded?
     
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  4. Clive Alive

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    How is that relevant in creating chances?

    But it was 12 for, 12 against last season.

    6 for, 5 against this season.

    According to Frank in my former parish anyway.

    So it's only a difference of 1 in terms of goal difference and the stats for last season would suggest we were playing a more open and attacking style of football. It certainly doesn't mean we're playing a more open and attacking style this season anyway.
     
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  5. esteponawhite

    esteponawhite Well-Known Member

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    Lets build from the back,
    Ok were are not scoring many we need a wide player,and a **** hot CF.
     
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  6. Clive Alive

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    It's not really building from the back if it's the same team, though.
     
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  7. Whitejock

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    Same team as what? Last year? What about Wooton? What about a new manager organising the defence more efficiently?
     
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  8. Clive Alive

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    Is the defence more organised or does he just have us sitting back more?
     
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  9. Eireleeds1

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    McD is doing a fine job on a shoestring budget. Don't forget this entire team was assembled on a shoestring. Warlock had **** all to spend either. There is a limit to what he'll be able to do without proper investment. If or when that arrives, that will be the next major step in our recovery
     
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  10. ristac

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    Against Reading 12 shots and 1 on target
     
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  11. ristac

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    I have to agree I don't see where the manager is building from the back? He has brought in

    1 x CB
    1 x CM
    2 x Strikers

    His entire budget spent on the midfielder. I like the manager but he isn't a god and he has made the same mistake previous managers have made in signing two shocking players in Hunt and Smith - Two wages wasted on two players who I will say it again - Won't get double figures for us when it comes to goals.

    Sky Sports take on it..

    Manager is the best we have had for a while, we are not going to get promoted under him though or anyone else while GFH are in charge.
     
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  12. FORZA LEEDS

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    Ristac, I still maintain we didn't deserve to lose, Reading were equally as unadventurous considering they were at home. I did day though that we didn't deserve to win either, as we weren't creative enough.
    Also half of those 12 shots off target were by Austin into Row Z. He really needs to either work on his shooting, or lay it off for someone else
     
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  13. lifecheshirewhite

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    defending better for sure,but with some slick passing at Bolton anyway could and should have scored more.We are not easy to score against which was a trait Reading had when they went up under McDermott
     
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  14. lifecheshirewhite

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    If you saw some of the games last season,you wouldn't say we were playing a more open and attacking style,we are passing the ball around much better.Out of interest when was the last game you went as it seems to me you don't have the insight of a person who's seen them last and this season.
     
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  15. MarkoLUFC

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    3 wins on the bounce will put us right back up there :)
     
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  16. Clive Alive

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    Here's my take on how we've played from watching us regularly.

    Under Warnock when we played well we played decent football and didn't hoof it. Granted we didn't play well often enough and would resort to long balls but we were a work in progress and a lot of teams do that. Plus we weren't really good enough to play good football, we wouldn't have seen long ball with Howson, Snodgrass and Gradel.

    Under McDermott Paddy Kenny rolls it out to his defenders, they pass it about to each other before going back to Paddy Kenny and he kicks it long as he's run out of options. It's passing for the sake of it like Liverpool under Roy Evans. There's no incisive play in the final third, it's just hopeful balls. Then you can bet your house on Smith coming on for Varney, even though he's not good enough, and we just resort to long balls, which he may win but never hits the target with.

    There's not a lot of difference to how we were under Warnock, not surprisingly as it's more or less the same team. We win by the odd goal, lose by the odd goal or draw. As much as people like to paint the picture that we lost every game 5-0 and were certainties for relegation, it just wasn't the case.

    My view is that you'd expect an improvement with the players settling and being together long and McDermott has had enough money to improve us, yet hasn't been able to.

    I've seen a lot of people criticise his transfers then turn around and say he's a good manager. That happened with Grayson, too.

    My view is that Smith and Hunt and spending a million on Murphy rather than a winger or a striker is so bad that he'll never be good enough as a manager and we shouldn't waste any time convincing ourselves otherwise.

    If a taxi driver kept turning up at the wrong houses you'd sack him. You wouldn't tell yourself he was a good driver and got good fuel economy with his driving style so you should keep him.
     
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  17. Whitejock

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    So you've written off McD already? I wonder if you would have done the same with the Don, or is hindsight your best pal?

    Think you're a bit trigger happy on this one.
     
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  18. Clive Alive

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    I didn't write McAllister off.

    Maybe I'm a clueless idiot and I'll be proved wrong, but I was right on Grayson.
     
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  19. lifecheshirewhite

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    The defence was one quality player short of being good,We now have that player.The midfield look good passing the ball around and are creating a fair few chances.we are short of a good goal scorer and a winger,with them I think we would be as good as any in this league.
    Under grayson the midfield would get over run with Johnson and Howson thats not happening anymore.The fact you can't see it leaves me to believe your a fool or have never been I suspect both.
     
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  20. Josh-LUFC

    Josh-LUFC Well-Known Member

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    No you were wrong on Grayson, he got us promoted and stabilised us in the division. I claim we got rid of him at the right time, everything has to go in stages, we currently need a manager to get us promoted again and I for one believe that is McD.
     
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