Well said Doc. Was thinking of posting something similar but fortunately you've summed it up better than I would. Don't know if anyone has noticed but for some time now a few of our regular football topic posters have either reduced their contribution or have stopped posting altogether. Today I want to discuss why our centre half and captain dealt with a hopeful downfield punt in such a shocking way. It was embarrassingly bad. Do not care if De Bock left his man or was a distraction, that ball needed heading away and it was total incompetence to head the ball upwards and back towards your own goal. Where is the football debate ???
The season has fizzled out, the dream has died for another year. How many times can we discuss the same players making the same mistakes? Can’t make any comment on Klich as I haven’t seen enough of him to form an opinion, but not even Messi could turn this team into contenders imo.
Hi @Jammy 07 and @Doc Firstly I’ve noticed WJ, Marcos, Billy and Eire haven’t been posting as much, I guess they have their own individual reasons for not doing so and hopefully they will all return... In regards to football debate... I was surprised Cooper never received more flack for both the goals, I thought he was poor yesterday... De Brock was also poor BUT that was partly down to being left overly exposed by Hernandez who constantly left the wing, cut inside, lost the ball and threw a bit of an arm waving tantrum believing he was hard done by. When Alioski was introduced De Brocks game improved, I found this article interesting, more so for the comments regarding to Alioski’s defensive duties.... Paul Heckingbottom has praised Ezgjan Alioski’s performance in Leeds United’s 2-2 draw against Derby County on Wednesday. The Leeds manager told BBC Radio Leeds that Alioski was first class during the match. He feels that the Macedonian is adapting to his style of play now, and that is the sort of performance he wants to see from him again and again. “A couple of his defensive positions were superb today. First-class, that’s a wide player. They’re the positions I wanted him to take up and they’re the things I want to see over and over again,” Heckingbottom said to BBC Radio Leeds.
Ok fair enough and most people would probably agree with your opinion. However don't you think last night was different ? From what I saw (on Sky) we were massively let down by 3 players in particular. I agree with PH that no one should be blamed for making a mistake as long as they are trying to play football and effect the game. Last night there were rabbits in headlights who were clearly so far away from being what we need that a little more insight and discussion is required as to why that is. Look we've signed some real turkeys in the past and will obviously continue to do so in the future but let's at least try to debate why that is. Just saying Orta is to blame is ridiculous in my opinion. Someone has to scout and sign the players and there will always be successes and failures whoever undertakes the task. Why is Felix rooted to his line ? Who is coaching him and do they share some of the blame for his poor positional sense ? Many things to debate and discuss.
Who are the 3? I ask because people tend to think it’s obvious, then you find we have different ones in mind
They are not obvious at all...some seem to think one of them had a decent game. So in my opinion they were; Cooper...Captain and total lightweight. His performance probably disappointed me more than any of the others. He's the pumice stone compared to Pontus's granite resolve. De Bock...is it the pressure of playing for a big club in an intense environment ? Felix...confidence shot to pieces. He doesn't know whether to stick or twist and it's uncomfortable watching a talented player suffering in a League he was totally unprepared for.
Know what Doc? Cheerio. If you don't like the site and the people on here, get to feck. You have no respect for other posters, so as far as I'm concerned, you're no loss. Bye.
Last time I criticized a Wally I got told in no uncertain terms that I should find somewhere else to discuss my/our team as they had been here since the beginning and that somehow meant I was inferior. Happy to read all opinions from all contributors without judgement as in my opinion it all adds to the daily discussion. However I'm missing the input of Marcos, Billy, WJ, Eire etc as they know their onions about LUFC.
I agree. But I dont need anybody telling me I'm a bellend because I have the temerity to ask him to back up the cr@p he posts as fact.
Sorry to see theirs some falling out on here,but you know what if someone posts something on here i don't like the content of (usually through the first line) i don't read it,and move on to the next one,and so on,thankfully their are very few posts like this,and most posts are footy related.I to would also like to see those members mentioned above re post,so if their reading this,99% of us would be glad to see your input again,as it has been missed,so cmon lads after all,were all Leeds fans NB Three Worst performances for me against Derby were,Felix,de bock & cooper. G'night all
Ok I'll break my self imposed exile to respond to this. Is Klich good enough to play for us, who knows, we didn't see enough of him, however on the few games he did play, he didn't stand out as anything special, and I will concede that match practice may have something to do with this. However the Dutch league by their previous standards is very poor these days and thus someone who does well over there means very little. An article on ESPN explains why players from Dutch football struggle in the English game at present http://www.espn.co.uk/football/blog...depay-and-vincent-janssen-flop-in-top-leagues Basically the article states that that the Dutch league plays at a much slower pace and less emphasis is put on physical training. Whilst the article concentrates specifically on Dutch nationals and why they have struggled in English football is it a long stretch of the imagination to think this will also apply to other nationalities in that league. Whilst I hope that if Klich returns he can show us why he should be playing in our team, to be told how well he is playing in the Dutch league for me is meaningless, whilst the names of Ajax, feyenoord and psv bring back fond memories from the 70s and 80s, Dutch teams have performed so poorly in Europe, that as from next season the Dutch champions will need to qualify for the group stages of the champions league, so I can understand why folk are not as excited as yourself about klichs performances at present, especially as it's not as if we could recall him from his loan no matter how amazing he may be performing. As fans I'd like to think that everyone of us wants any player to do well for the club no matter who it's is as that would hopefully mean success for our club and thus whether TC got it right or wrong about Klich we will only discover next season when or if he returns to the club As for the three that played poorly for me against Derby, I'd say Felix , Vierra and De Bock. Felix has no command of his six yard box and this has affected the confidence in the defence, in that in my opinion they know they can't rely upon the keeper.Vierra appeared to be off the pace of the game and may just be a match practice issue. Ristac has already picked up on a valid reason for De Bockhaving a bad game, although it was also interesting to hear one of the commentators mention that De Bockhas given an interview in which he admits to having concentration issues
. So you like to wum and have a picture of a fisherman as your avatar,but can't take it back,can see why you usually run off when things go bad for you.
Its my opinion Doc,seen him play and don't rate him,would be over the moon if he was a saiz,but IMO he isn't and never will be,all the players at Leeds are here because they did well in some league abroad,as most have seen doesn't mean too much,in the championship,how many times have you seen him at a game ? Gob off all you want,but his championship stats say you are the knowfucjallcunt how many games,seasons does he have to lose us before you see any light.
Klich played his part in fooking up our cup game and league season,not on his own for sure, but was dominated by a 10p Newport midfield,he cost a lot of money,and has shown no great skill play, that some said we would see,he has played 10 games,how many does he need to have a good one ? Now Lassoga is a different story,a good player who I've never criticised,because I can see his finishing class,you like to dictate to people don't you Doc and think only your view matters,arrogance has no limits ay,goodbye
There's no one to blame for lack of communication between the keeper and players other than the keeper himself. Felix knows enough English to know what words to shout. The defense were defending like they didn't trust Felix that much. Agreed, De Brock out of position and left his man for their first goal. While De Brock made some mistakes, and seemed to have a bit of an off day, I don't think it's reason to drop him straight away. He'll know he played below par, and will want to improve on it next game. I felt game was going to be a 2 goal difference to Leeds, and it probably would've been had it not been for poor defending, and poor keeping. 2 stupid mistakes cost us the win. Felix has a big area to command, he should'nt be having any problems commanding it, other than fear, and I suspect he fears coming out and jumping for the ball. In my day I use to come out, jump and catch the ball in all parts of my area, including right out to the edges. Felix is continental taught, which means, either GK coach is useless, Felix doesn't listen, or both. I suspect a bit of both. Pablo's knock is not serious apparently, seems to be a slight muscle strain. I suspect Heckythump is going to have to learn that Pablo, Saiz and Alioski are our best 3 AM's combination, and without them, or one missing, we are weakened, no disrespects to Dallas of course. All 3 create fear for defences, so much so they all seem to be targeted. Now we have a full team back, Brentford are very beatable, as were Derby, cept for our stupid mistakes....
I have 4: De Bock I thought had an awful game. Previously I’d been 50-50 on him, had thought he was reasonable defensively but a bit lacking homing forward. It’s down to the management team to work out why he was so bad, either give him another chance as LL says or replace him (Anita I guess) Vieira was a terrible disappointment as I rate the lad. Felix - I have not posted anything negative up to now as goalies are often vilified unfairly when the team concedes, and actually his raw stats are not bad. But I saw stuff in this game, just one example the failure to call to Forshaw. I think we need better, again either a replacement for next season or PH to sort him out Roofe - obviously replace anyone with the most talented player Sais at the club and you’ll get an improvement but we got a massive lift. I am fed up of seeing coaches play him in positions other than up front. He is a striker, that’s all he’s any good at, if we don’t need 2 strikers on the pitch don’t play him. (Edit - just watching lutv highlights, they billed him as being up front and in the early stages he seemed to be trying to be, but my impression during the actual 90 minutes was he spent too much time in MF, maybe that was due to pressure team was under, but anyway he was ineffective) On Cooper, I just didn’t notice during the game but I accept a lot think he had a bad game. I might watch the highlights on LUTV and see what I think about the goals. He does do some excellent long ball passes to team mates (first goal a case in point) I’d also say Alioski is better than Dallas especially when he plays with Sais, though Dallas is not a disaster at all
