He's still trying the odd sporadic snipe on here.. rarely get's past Proud or AKCJ for long ... don't even know who he actually supports ... prize knob ... honestly wouldn't mind if his wumming was mildly humourous .. but it's all pointless ... I think he has self-esteem issues.
Unfortunately so... I remember someone saying that his I.P has come up elsewhere on completely unrelated topics where he's been banned for stupid internet trolling. I just don't know how low you have to get to find that entertaining.
quote: "stop beefing about it like little girls"... etc... just look at the leeds forum..and some of your fellow posters on here.. people have different views and support different teams..leeds fans have an aggresive outlook...when there is no call for it..
Saying that a Jimmy Savile chant is 'horrendous' is fairly characterized by the underlined quote in my opinion. No-one was being serious. No-one got hurt in the singing of that. No-one was attacked in that. Lots of people laughed, in both the Leeds and Wednesday ends apparently. It's just the hysterical neutrals who've chosen to be offended in this way.
Written by a Wednesday fan sums things up nicely, I particularly like the last part: http://www.owlsalive.com/featured/2012/10/22/people-in-glass-houses/ (Original link on our forum by YWNBK)
Im not hysterical ..I am neutral...I think it hurt dave jones..hence his after match reaction.... I don't think leeds fans find any reference to turkey very funny..... they ought to get a sense of humour over that.... don't you agree..?
John Mann is about as working class as you'll get in politics, would be surprised if he wasn't in the stands. I wouldn't have attempt to tackle himself myself, I never said anyone should have done that. But no-one even gave him so much as a dirty look and some of the crowd actually rushed by him in what looked like an attempt to get on the pitch.
How the hell do you know? Some of his many victims may have been in the crowd for all you know! He was a Leeds native after all.
I meant physically. 'Sticks and stones'. Morally, I don't think you can even compare physical and mental 'pain'. One person physically attacking another will always eventuate in some form of retribution of a similar kind, where the perpetrator has to be dragged away and punished so that restitution is performed. Saying something mean which hurts feelings is something to be dealt with face-to-face between the perpetrator and the victim, nothing more, nothing less. If a Savile victim was there in the Leppings Lane end and were emotionally wounded by what was sung, let them defeat the chants with their words, and wits. Write an exclusive in the Yorkshire Evening Post, and vent their troubled mind. That is the most effective way to end 'distasteful' edge in football - if people self-police rationally and logically rather than getting some third-party **** to bang on your door with a baton and threaten to kidnap you and cage you up if you don't accept their authority over you by applying some vague 'public order' law which disallows free speech. I think if we're playing someone to whom we do similar stuff (e.g. Man U and Millwall), fair enough if they sing Turkey songs back at us. That's their prerogative and it's only fair. But I find it extremely sad on the part of teams like Sheff Wednesday when they do it, and I thought our reaction was about right on Friday night. But I don't think they should be arrested for terrace songs.
You're right, mental anguish is a hundred times worse. People who are emotionally bullied sometimes take their own life. People who get a black eye in a fight don't.
And as I went on to say, physical punishments are the wrong way to combat the inflicting of that mental anguish. It should be done with reasoned discussion. Savile chants, if they really did hurt the feelings of as many troubled people as you infer they did, should be combatted with debate, not banning orders. The world's real battles are won and lost with words. So when Leicester fans sing 'he's fat, he's round, he's six feet underground', I think you should practice as you preach on here if you feel so strongly against that sort of stuff.
I've never participated in any sick chant. I have heard relatively few over the years at Leicester since I started going in 1996. I have been part of Barnsley and Forest crowds that did though, and it was horrible. Not saying it doesn't happen, particularly at away grounds, but I think we're no way near as bad as others are for it. I don't think anyone is saying that people should be arrested for terrace chats - it's not practical for one thing - so not sure where you're going with that. Of course only the fans can sort it. This is a great opportunity for Leeds to reinvent themselves - like it or not, you have a reputation. Putting the assault and the pitch invasion aside, the ***** chants to a man who (if innocent as evidence suggests) must have been through hell, doesn't help you're case. I know Wednesday we're just as bad with the Turkey chants but two wrongs don't make a right.
John Mann was saying that anyone singing Savile songs should be arrested and banned for life. Forgive me for my mistake, but I thought your praise of him was portraying an agreement with his sentiments. I wasn't saying you sang any songs of that ilk, just that I hope you act on your convictions if they are sung in your presence, and try to put a stop to it. I stopped singing a song once because someone near me made a logical argument to stop it, and I respected the fact he did that. He wasn't in the least bit intimidating, threatening or aggressive in the same way that the whole reaction to Friday night has been. Dave Jones needs to screw his head on a bit. He has a choice of A) get wound up by the songs, which is the sole reason they are sung, or B) be dignified and silent, leaving them to die out. There are two ways to respond to someone taking the mick: you can either ignore it, which is one way of getting it to stop, or give as good as you get if you're of a mind to be confrontational about it. But trying to defeat it with away bans, comparing it to racism, and saying all Leeds fans are vile animals (and even defending that statement to an extent in his so-called apology), that's just a recipe for the songs to be sung louder than ever at the Elland Road return fixture.
I can see where Mann is coming from, and his heart is in the right place, but that's obviously an over-reaction. Banning, maybe. Arrests? I don't think so. Whether I'd "try and put a stop to it" would depend on the circumstances (for instance, if I had my daughter with me, how many were chanting, how drunk they were, did they look like real fans or like the tosser from Cheltenham) but certainly my opinion of my club, which I believe to be a very family orientated club, would be severally knocked and I would consider not taking my daughter again until she was older. Thankfully, this has never happened (yet) and we'll both be going tomorrow night. Regarding Dave Jones, I don't think he would have mentioned the chanting if it hadn't been for the assault which gave him a forum. Nevertheless, neither you or I have any idea how something like that must feel. I have been through situations in my life which have had ill effects on me, but nothing like what he must have been through. So to have five thousand football fans bringing up still after 12 years must be awful for the man, and comparing him to one of your own (which really you'd be better off not reminding people) is pretty sick.
