You have a funny definition of "FACT", which seems to be "because I said it". And yes, we do have a rivalry with MunUre, we hate them, they hate us, that's called a rivalry, unlike with you where you're another Yorkshire club that, when you're not playing against us, I and many others tend to hope do well, whereas you do your desperate base to try to create the rivalry with us you so crave.
Leeds fans really need to get over themselves. The phrase 'big club' is hardly ever used by anyone else including fans of actual big clubs like Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. It's a sure sign of over-compensating for an inadequacy and that inadequacy is the reality of what an average to poor club they've been for a long time.
'Mutual rivalry' is not cool. Being hated is not cool either. If you find that almost every other team hates yours, but you don't reciprocate it, it's probably because they have a reason to and you don't.
The obvious inference from the 'big club' loads of fans 'loads of trophies' bollocks is that they'd be unable to follow a team without those things as they feel it would reflect badly on them as individuals. That's actually very sad and suggests they need help.
This is good for us. The team will come together over one of their own being attacked. It will make them play that much harder against them when they come to the KC at the end of the month. Hopefully if we do go up a goal or two you all ride them over it. I dont know what a good chant involving Alex being the so called 5th CB on a their team would be.
leeds fans will be gutted to see ken bates still in the board room after the takeover I guess ? ... or did they miss that one already ?
No, that isn't a rivalry but (if it does exist) is just a dislike of each other. A rivalry is when you are competing for superiority in the same field. Like it or not, your rivals are the clubs that you will compete against. Leeds are a 3rd/2nd tier club, so your rivals are from those divisions
Everything I've said can be backed up with logic and facts, homeboy. Yes... which is a continued rip-off we shouldn't have to put up with after years of dedicated support. But well done missing the subtleties of the argument to suit your ends. As has been stated in response many more times, Sprake withdrew his claims and revealed he was being paid to lie by the arsewipe known as the Mirror. Bremner won against him in court. And Bob Stokoe's bitter rubbish was just that - totally unsubstantiated and totally unsuccessful in proving that any alleged bribery swayed any results. No. Do you honestly not believe that Man U fans sing about Leeds at every other game and have a deep dislike of Leeds more than other clubs? Because if that's the case, I suggest you talk to an actual match-going scum fan about the issue and they'll most likely set you straight. At least do me the dignity of providing some factual or anecdotal evidence to back that up, because I made that effort. How am I living in the past? I'm just defending my club from the insults being chucked at it on here, which are totally unprovoked by the way. I do follow Leeds around the country, but if you have this weak-willed view that fans shouldn't use their most fundamental power of boycotting to get their way and influence their club's policy for the better, I don't think you really 'get' what football fans are about. Other sports' fans are blind and servile in that way, but we're supposed to be a different breed. Well, at Leeds we are anyway. I was pointing out those results (and I could go on: Histon, for instance) because A) they were home games unlike the example you provided, and so worse, and B) because Leeds' natural level is much higher up, so our hopes and expectations are crushed more when we're beaten by low-league nonentities like Hull or Birmingham or whoever. Hardly. Seven and a half years of lies and failure, and you'd keep paying Bates 30 quid a game? Who's the bell end there. No. It is a boycott. But as I said (if you read and digested my words with your brain) some of it is overt and some covert. As with many things in life, there are subtleties which you Humbersiders fail to comprehend in your red-mist zeal to shoot down the club whose shadow you've been suffering in for decades. School visits, discounted tickets for factories and offices in the area, kids' discounts, 16-22 prices, billboards and buses and hoardings around the city, a club shop in town again... yep: these things actually would make a difference, because people would see the effort and ambition and finally feel like coming back to match it with their matchday support. It is hard to get players who can cope with that pressure (hence our continued failure when buying average players on a Bates budget), but in fairness to Warnock he has done well getting headstrong characters to populate our squad again (even if we do need a bit of flair to complement it). If we get the kind of engagement I mentioned, I think we could get around 50,000. If Newcastle can do it, Leeds can do it with ease. But I think that building process will take more than one season - should I expect otherwise? It was won by Bayern according to UEFA records, but they cheated their way to victory so I see no reason to acknowledge the cup as theirs. We at Leeds are very strongly against cheating and so forth, you see. Not really, because your natural level is about the third tier, so it's hardly a huge dedication to follow them at the bottom of the fourth. Well done to the few who did, don't get me wrong. But Leeds' fall was far more dramatic and far more painful. Of course it is. When they compare themselves with wannabe big clubs, they will point out what a big club they are. Take Man U when they talk to Man City fans - Arsenal with Spurs - Liverpool with Everton. It's a pretty similar dialogue to the one we're having now, with the underlings trying gloating based on current league position, or last game won or such like. Part of football banter, but the big clubs do tend to have the last laugh (except when their club's size is cheapened by their purchasing of sympathy and success like the Manc clubs and Chelsea). I find it fun, and 90% of other football fans do as well. Do you want cricket atmospheres and back-patting instead of animosity and bragging rights at football matches? I for one relish the passion that comes with partisan support - loving your team and hating the twats who try beat them. No it isn't. If you were from China and pointed out it was a big country, would the "obvious inference" be that you could never live in a smaller one? I'm just being analytical and stating facts here. You think he'd get in over Pearce, Lees and Tate? Unlikely at the very best.
Pretty gutted that he's still here, yes. But hopefully GFH will boot him into the long grass soon enough, and he should have very little power as President anyway. We are competing for superiority in the same field: football. And it's more competitive than other games. Say Man U drew Fulham in the cup. Or Leeds did. Then say they drew Leeds (or Man U). Which game do you think is going to be more competitively contested by the fans and players? Anyway, if you want to be a prude about the concept of rivalry, fine. Just call it a grudge game or a derby or whatever, the outcome is the same. No.
With respect, what a load of ****e. If that was the case, after our stint in the Premier League, particularly after the Fabregas spitgate incident, by your logic Arsenal are our biggest rivals.
I missed this bollocks earlier. Funny how, when we put entrance money into a fighting fund, it gets ignored and people use that period to show our 'low' gates' rather than other periods of our history where we hold attendance records. Leeds protest was a couple of walks to the ground and some semi-literate emails that the club openly admitted to deleting without even reading the rest once it became obvious what it was. ffs. Most clubs had proper protests, Leeds sent silly emails. As for hopes and expectations, that again is just selective use of dates. The now liquidated club was piss poor for decades. It had a minor blip of tainted success that coincided with TV coverage and has now gone, but the new club is maintaining the old clubs natural second tier level. Thos cock bod, are just facts.
Is that the game which would be most fiercely contested between Hull and another side? If so, I suppose yes, that would be your biggest rivalry. I'd have thought it would be Scunny or Grimsby, if you're looking for mutually-felt ones, although no-one ever seems to be very clear on that. Debunk them with your facts or logic then, or they stand uncontested. Twisted?! A court's impartial verdict is more twisted than a bloke who admits he sold lies to one of the worst newspapers in Western civilization because he was low on money? Only in your head, eh. We're not the old Leeds any more... in living memory we've been a firmly top half side. Looking over your seasons in the last 40-60 years, you've been flitting between second and third level for most of it, so your hardest times are hardly as hard as our hardest times, to present a slight tonguetwister. And why is that? Just a tip for future reference: it helps in an argument for you to provide reasons, so that people take you seriously and don't think (heaven forbid) that you have some kind of bias for (or against) something, which you are pushing as a matter of priority. Good for you, as I already said. Doesn't affect any of my points about us having it rough when we fell through the divisions, and it therefore being right for us to boycott. If we made a 'fighting fund', Bates would have pocketed it. As I said, we're not idiots. We did one very well-attended march to the ground, and about six or seven protests outside Elland Road where there were generally between 300-800 people in attendance and pretty loud. No, we didn't just send emails you quarter-wit. Let's see the English clubs who protested better than us, eh? I'm saying 'living memory', because no-one expects Preston or Port Vale to be a top flight club based on their success in the 19th century. Nor does anyone expect clubs who were **** at that time to be **** now. People base a team's natural level on what they themselves see of it. For me, Leeds is a top flight club because for most of my life, they were in that division. For you, Hull are a second or third flight team, I don't doubt. Same for most other Hull fans. Unless you own a ****ing time machine. And you don't.
I love this post. "Oh our chairman saved us, but we want him out because we aren't back in the PL yet." Bunch of ****ing idiots the lot of them, Exodus Geohaghon is certainly up there at the top of the Leeds deluded fans leader board. You should consider yourselves lucky that you didn't end up like a lot of clubs who fly down the leagues. I don't know what you Leeds fans expect and don't give me that "We have high expectations as we're a big club" Well you're in the championship, I don't know who you're expecting to want to play for you because you're a 'big club' you're ****ter than half the teams in this league, and I'm afraid you need to get used to that. You bunch of ****s.
