Worst racism I've ever seen at ER was some fat **** trying to call Paul Ince a "black bastard" and getting shouted down. Positively shocking behaviour from our scummy fans.
Yet you're still being ridiculously ignorant to somehow suggest we haven't changed and need to move on from the '80s. Because the amount of work done by the club has been incredible and very successful. The media exposure is far from equivalent to the actual number of incidents, and I'd think a Chelsea fan should realise that.
We're not talking about racism. We're talking about travelling Chelsea fans having to be careful because they dare attend a football match at a team who have a large proportion of knob heads who will be out to cause trouble. Doh!!
A lot of the reason for lack of incidents is down to heavy police presense at games etc. There would be a lot more incidents without them. If it was all fine, why are Chelsea fans going to be escorted to the ground?
I really shouldn't be having a discussion with someone who's clearly a leading expert on the behaviour of Leeds United fans. I'm in no way trying to suggest it's "all fine" but to say that Leeds have a much bigger problem than yourselves/scum/Wednesday/take your pick is ridiculous.
Some of you should read back again. I said I didn't class them as football fans, the knobheads that is and went out of my way to say it too. By the way, the Cardiff fan stabbed was nothing to do with us it was down to Wrexham fans
Things haven't changed at any club. All that's changed is policing has gotten stricter and more experienced. Fans will still take any opportunity they are given to behave like scum no matter what club they are following. You have labelled us the same as everybody else does by claiming we're worse than other clubs when the reality is that we're no worse than other clubs. What premeditated abuse do you expect to receive? I doubt there'll be anything "premeditated", just the usual chanting and hostility you'd expect from any hotly contested rivalry. I'd expect matches between Ipswich and Norwich, or Burnley and Blackburn are likely to see more violence and abusive behaviour than our encounter on Wednesday. Southampton and Portsmouth will likely be more volatile as well. As for premeditated attacks? I've not seen or heard anything "premeditated" from Leeds United fans in recent years, but I have seen a banner unfurled at Elland Road that read "Istanbul" and a bus with broken windows turn up at Elland Road with a sign reading "Turkish Reds". Will you label manchester united fans as animals still stuck in the 1980s? I doubt it. Like I already mentioned, I've seen Huddersfield Town fans attack Alan Smith in a play off game between them and MK Dons (I was actually THERE), I've seen Leicester City fans throwing bottles and other missiles our way, I reiterate without retaliation, and I've seen or heard of countless other incidents involving fans of other clubs who all jump on the "Leeds are at it again" bandwagon at every opportunity. Racist gestures are at the highest echelons of abusive behaviour. It's among the least tolerated of abuse, not that any abuse is ok. Racist gestures and chants towards players of colour or any other ethnicity that isn't white British are something that belong in the 1980s. So why don't Chelsea need to move on from the 80s? Or perhaps they do, and you're just a big hypocrite. I expect banana sales at Leeds Market to increase when your disgusting lot of John Terry idolising scumbags show up on Wednesday. Not so nice when you're on the receiving end is it?
Beating the crap out of someone is far worse than some name calling and gestures. This racist thing is being blown out of proportion anyway. We've had false accusations the last couple of weeks that could have ruined careers and lives. "Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" Learned that one when I was three. Maybe some people need a re-education.
And when have we "beaten the crap" out of someone recently? I hardly think a slap to the face is "beating the crap" out of someone. Don't play down the racism just because it destroys your arguments. Like I said before, every club has them, no clubs are worse than others, so stop with this pathetic crusade to villainise Leeds fans. Hypocrisy thy name is you.
A large portion of Leeds supporters are well known for violent behavior, and it ain't for no reason either! I don't see how this is being disputed and why other clubs are being brought into it.
When I said we, I wasn't referring to any club in particular, I was referring to British football in general. I've already alienated myself to the Planetswans Forums due to my unorthodox views. Abuse is Abuse. Some people feel they are deserved special treatment. I've never been to Leeds, never met any Leeds fans. So I have no inclination what they are like. I was responding to "Racist gestures are at the highest echelons of abusive behaviour". There are scum everywhere yes, but some places there are more scum than others. This is not a dig at Leeds.
Because it's not true. It's not a large portion, it's no larger than any other club. Being "well known" for it doesn't mean it's true, and that belief belongs in the 80s along with the behaviour. It's being disputed because we are genuinely no worse than any other fans. The majority of us are just passionate football fans who want to watch a game of football and cheer on our players. Just like the majority of fans at other clubs. It's a small minority of fans that bring the integrity of the club into disrepute, just like at ANY OTHER football club, including your own. I could say a large portion of your fans are primitive racists on the basis of backing John Terry so venomously that Rio Ferdinand gets booed every time he's at Stamford Bridge just because his cousin brought proceedings against Terry. That is then further backed up by the gestures some of your fans have made to players of colour in recent weeks. Is it therefore true that the majority of your fans or even a "large portion" are racist? Are Chelsea now well known for being racist? If they are "well known" for being racist, does that make it right to label you all as racists? No it doesn't. I could ask you why you all being dirty racists is being disputed because as we all know from the papers and the media it's 110% true fact, or I could point out that it's been blown way out of proportion and media coverage of an incident doesn't make it the norm. It's totally unacceptable behaviour but if I or anyone else labels you all as racists, you take offence. So why are you so incapable of understanding that labelling us all as violent animals based on ... what exactly? is unacceptable and offensive?
I would argue that Leeds is not one of those places. Media coverage blows it out of proportion, with the same "Leeds are at it again" attitude that has haunted the club since the 1980s when the accusations of us being "dirty" may have been true. The majority of incidents involving Leeds fans happen outside of Leeds, and are usually instigated by fans of other clubs having a pop at us. This does not make the behaviour of our fans acceptable, but it shows that fans of other clubs are just as bad. If you were enjoying a couple of quiet pints in a pub in Middlesbrough after a game where you'd taken a 2-1 victory and 3 points, and a group of thugs decided to start trouble with you and your group, would you sit there and take it for fear of being labelled as violent or would you defend yourself?
When I first came onto this board and read some of your comments Marko I didn't like you very much. I was wrong, you have made some really good points.
Leeds United have more arrests and banning orders than anyone else because of the Police/media prejudices against the club and wannabes attacking our fans to get a rep, simple as that. Take Bristol Rovers (I think) a seasons ago where innocent Leeds fans were attacked by City fans who'd just come home from an away game. Or Derby last weekend where a pub of Leeds fans were attacked for no reason. Or the huge list of banning orders for negligible crimes like 'excessive alcohol' and 'membership offences'. When you follow Leeds home and away, you get used to this sort of thing and wear it as a badge of pride. We'd get an escort if the game had been hosted by Chelsea, because the rivalry is felt on both sides - and no, I don't think it's in some way vile that we wouldn't happily have Chelsea fans drinking in OUR city. I'm not saying innocent people should get hurt, but a hot reception? I'd fully expect it at a grudge fixture such as this one.
Well as a swans fan, I obviously have an interest in this game. But bloody hell it's going to be an exciting match. And unfortunately that is due to the rivalry. I'm sure we all love these kind of matches. I really really hope Cardiff get into the prem next season just so I can feel that excitement again.
I've just come into this one and see there's been a fair bit of scrapping between Blues and Leeds! I never missed any of the golden scraps between us when Revie was in charge, but thats all long ago and our places in football are much changed since then! We're still class and Leeds have sunk into the mire! However the big issue for me is after our game on Sunday, how the hell are we going to field a side 4 days later that are fit and raring to go?
