No - you blatanly stated that Norwich "didn't have a single incident in any other match apart from Leeds" - which is incorrect
Thats the issue though, watching the game isnt a problem. A (small) pitch invasion and hitting someone for no known reason is.
It's a particularly poorly written article from the independent as well, can't say it stands up well and would be more at home in the S*n newspaper The fact is Luis Suarez is labelled a cheat because he cheats on a regular basis. Leeds are considered a thuggish bunch because they (as a group) are regularly thuggish.
Guru, If Ipswich fans are so rightous, how many tried to stop the fans that threw missiles including bottles, glasses, coins, batteries and fireworks at Norwich fans last year?
If I may interject and answer this question as well, if that's ok? The non Leeds supporters within this topic are not forgetting these issues outside of Leeds, but the incident you are mentioning is between a local derby and is the worst case to be brought against both clubs (probably in their entire History.) This is one incident where local rivalry spilled over into something more sinister - as you point out this is not right and the guilty were punished. Now, back on to Leeds, on how many occasions do situations like this occur for the 'Great' club of Leeds United? I can safely say that those are the only scenes I have ever witnessed as a Town fan in all my years supporting them but ask yourself how often do you have scenes like that at Leeds? Or even Worse?? And also ask yourself why? and who do they involve? We have a rivalry in this part of the world but you seem to have a rivalry with nearly everyone simply because you are Leeds and..... as you like to sing "No one likes us" etc. so stop throwing around examples of other clubs that in truth don't stand up to the level of incidents that your 'fans' have been guilty of for a long long time and will continue to be guilty of until you actually accept that it may be the clubs' fault 'Accepting you have a problem is the first step' and all that
Perhaps the reason the Leeds fans think everyone else is just as bad, is because trouble follows them around like dogshit on a shoe. When fans of other clubs get in trouble and Leeds are in town, you can bet they're actually Leeds fans with tickets in the opposition stands. Rather than defending your fans, who clearly are trouble, why not try to do something to change the stereotypes? Remove the scummy element and you'll be respected. Not sure your club would survive with attendances of 1,500 though...
as i say, i worded it badly. what i should have said is that norwich didn't have a single incident that remotely compared to the violence and aggravation seen against leeds. of course one or two people got a bit boozy at games - you'll find that all the way down the leagues and you cannot seriously compare that with the leeds figures - they are miles apart. i repeat - TWELVE ARRESTS in a whole season. leeds often get many more than that at individual games.
i know from personal encounters with many leeds fans that a large number of them are particularly proud about the leeds image. it makes them look "hard". for some reason they appear delighted by the stereotype and long to live up to it. of course, this is not all leeds fans but there's plenty of them - more than just a handful that's for sure.
My god you're such a ****ing idiot. Why do you think we have such a high number of banning orders? I'll give you a clue; the slightest hint of trying to cause trouble at ER and you get nicked, you can get thrown out for standing up FFS. And no-one patted Cawley on the back, to whoever said that, and if you're going to try to argue with it I expect a video embed with details of every point where a fan congratulates him. Because you're either imagining it or forgetting the fact we were celebrating a goal. Does my club have a scummy element? Of course. Is it a higher percentage than the majority of fans? Yes. Is it still a minority that the club are doing everything in their power to get rid of? Yes. And there is a case of Leeds cases being highlighted, how many of the other cases of player assault I listed had you heard of?
Simon the players assault you listed is a very poor argument in defence, mainly due to the fact that at Carlisle the players were jostled by celebrating Carlisle fans and at Millwall a cigarette was flicked at Ankergren which missed him by at least 2 foot. Having said that all this blaming all Leeds fans because of one idiot is totally barmy, i blame FIFA for this holding clubs responsible for their fans, how can that be?, near on every club ban for life any fan that breaks the law within a football ground, if i robbed a bank the law would charge me not my family. Clubs from big Cities will have more offenders than clubs from small rural cities/towns, as thats just the Genetics of British culture/living.
I was going to point that out Ringo, it's stupid to compare clubs from relatively small, rural places like Ipswich and Norwich to clubs from, often quite poor, inner city areas like Leeds, Millwall, Cardiff, Chelsea, Rangers and Celtic up here etc. And when it's just one club serving the entirety of one of the largest cities in Britain... I agree that I find it hard to see how Leeds United can be held responsible. Ask any Leeds fan and they'll tell you how hard the club has worked to try to eradicate (or as close they can manage) this problem and have condemned what happened, as has every Leeds fan I've spoken to and seen on twitter/facebook/blogs etc., so what more are we supposed to do? We can't shake the negative image if other people won't let it go, and I've never seen a Leeds fan promote hooliganism as part of our club's culture. It seems some people on here want Leeds fans to be ashamed of our entire, mostly incredible, fanbase because of the actions of a few, and that's just never going to happen. We hate our scummy element, as fans of every other club in a similar situation hate theirs, but they're never going to stop me being proud of being a Leeds United supporter.
Simon, Your first paragraph does not have any real basis. You being the only club in Leeds doesnt mean that you automatically deserve or should expect a larger element of badly behaved fans. It bears no context. We could argue that we represent the whole of Suffolk (parts of which are scummy), Norwich the same for Norfolk but it doesnt mean anything. As a club you may well have tried to irridicate the problems but it is still happening therefore you need to do more. If that is the best that you can do YET people still go onto the pitch and a player is still attacked then Im afraid you have failed. I wont group you all together. I have said in an early post that on matchdays you bring a great atmosphere to PR but there is also that feeling of 'about to kick off' which is not prevelant at 99% of other matches. It may only be a song yet 100% of your away fans will sing 'no-one likes us we dont care' which hardly goes to show you are trying to move away from your stereotype image. Its rather strange that it is one of your most vocal songs yet this thread is now 7 pages of Leeds trying to say that our image of you is wrong - makes me think maybe you do care so why go on with the macho bullshite of the song? The chant isnt offensive and 99% of singers may not follow it up with violence but it keeps your image going.
It's Millwall that sing 'no-one likes us, we don't care', you precious petunia. The edgy atmosphere is preferential to just boring songs about the players all the time, in my opinion. I'm not saying I enjoy innocent people getting attacked at all, but that us against them mentality is what football away days are all about. Sorry that Ipswich don't get to experience that rush.
Do you not go to many Leeds matches? Because I can guarantee Leeds to do sing "No one Likes us" and that is a fact, Petal
As Exodus said, I have never heard Leeds fans sing that. And I'd like to hear your brilliant ideas as to what more the club could do.
Ah, Exodus just the man. Going onto the whole Leeds trying to improve their reputation issue, maybe you can answer when you changed your avatar to Jimmy Saville and why he is your choice. Doesnt offend me but I cant see any reason why you would have it unless trying to annoy others? This surely cant be the case can it?
