leave her there

[DMD]

The child is an innocent victim of who it’s parents were.

It shouldn’t be like that, but that’s the way it’s gone.

I agree. What separates this poor scrap from all the others in such predicaments there? It has received publicity. Maybe one bit of good could be is if this poor scraps tragic life raised awareness of all the others.

 

[Treble]

But if you respect the mothers choice of going there, you should also respect her choice to try to raise her family in her new land. If you're talking of the rule of law, would you keep the child in prison with its mother for decades, or separate them?

These are issues of her own making. She went to great lengths and considerations to make them. You can't ignore that aspect by saying you don't give a **** about her, whilst trying to claim an act of humanity for one child of many, many thousands.

I don't respect her choice for going there. She's a fcking moron. Like saying I respect the choice of Fred and Rosemary West to kill young adults in a debate about whether we had a responsibility to safeguard their own children. That would be nuts.

 

[NSIS]

Javid is playing to the gallery with his refusal to take her back. It’s got nothing to do with what’s right and everything to do with pandering to what he sees as public opinion.

I’m with @Treble on this. We have an obligation to take her back. If she can be shown to have committed offences then put her on trial and if found guilty, lock her up. I don’t say this lightly as I believe she still presents a danger to the country, I don’t believe her views have changed at all.

Syria didn’t invite her there, she went there to overthrow their Gvt- as abhorrent as it is. Why should they keep her?

She’s not a Syrian citizen, she’s a UK citizen. As such, we have to deal with her.

 

[Stan]

Javid is playing to the gallery with his refusal to take her back. It’s got nothing to do with what’s right and everything to do with pandering to whst he sees as public opinion.

I’m with @Treble on this. We have an obligation to take her back. If she can be shown to have committed offences then put her on trial and if found guilty, lock her up. I don’t say this lightly as I believe she still presents a danger to the country, I don’t believe her views have changed at all.

Syria didn’t invite her there, she went there to overthrow their Gvt- as abhorrent as it is. Why should they keep her?

She’s not a Syrian citizen, she’s a UK citizen. As such, we have to deal with her.

This.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

How was the comparison different? Because I didn’t specify whether the mother was a criminal?

Because in the example you used of a child being born from rape, you’d imagine that one of the parents, probably the mother, was 100% innocent and a victim of a horrible crime.

Unless you’re somehow inferring that they raped each other Stan?

 

[Treble]

Javid is playing to the gallery with his refusal to take her back. It’s got nothing to do with what’s right and everything to do with pandering to whst he sees as public opinion.

I’m with @Treble on this. We have an obligation to take her back. If she can be shown to have committed offences then put her on trial and if found guilty, lock her up. I don’t say this lightly as I believe she still presents a danger to the country, I don’t believe her views have changed at all.

Syria didn’t invite her there, she went there to overthrow their Gvt- as abhorrent as it is. Why should they keep her?

She’s not a Syrian citizen, she’s a UK citizen. As such, we have to deal with her.

Mate there's something far more Machiavellian about Javid's approach to this and it's probably the one thing everyone might actually agree on. Javid is playing a clever game. If he'd brought her back to face trial, he alienates a large section of the country and risks his own political future. So... he revokes her citizenship knowing full well it will get overturned in an international court of law. He acts all indignant and vocal about how "our country should make our own laws" playing to the gallery, then turns to us, shrugs his shoulders and says "well I tried". Called a win/win situation for him. Watch this space

 

[DMD]

Javid is playing to the gallery with his refusal to take her back. It’s got nothing to do with what’s right and everything to do with pandering to what he sees as public opinion.

I’m with @Treble on this. We have an obligation to take her back. If she can be shown to have committed offences then put her on trial and if found guilty, lock her up. I don’t say this lightly as I believe she still presents a danger to the country, I don’t believe her views have changed at all.

Syria didn’t invite her there, she went there to overthrow their Gvt- as abhorrent as it is. Why should they keep her?

She’s not a Syrian citizen, she’s a UK citizen. As such, we have to deal with her.

She's far from the only one in this position, others before her had their citizenship revoked. The gallery was created when the media found her and tried to do a Princess Di with her.

 

[Stan]

Because in the example you used of a child being born from rape, you’d imagine that one of the parents, probably the mother, was 100% innocent and a victim of a horrible crime.

Unless you’re somehow inferring that they raped each other Stan?

I didn’t infer that.

You’re making judgements on behalf of the future mentality of the child with regards to who their parents were.

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I didn’t infer that.

You’re making judgements on behalf of the future mentality of the child with regards to who their parents were.

No Stan, go back and read exactly what I wrote if you struggle that badly pal. I wrote that I would prefer not to deal with that life (I’d rather be dead personally) I wasn’t speaking for any other child or how other children are better off imo, I was speaking only for myself.

Go play with your usual crew if you wanna twist **** mate cos I ain’t got time for your boring ****ing drivel.

 

[Treble]

She's far from the only one in this position, others before her had their citizenship revoked. The gallery was created when the media found her and tried to do a Princess Di with her.

She's the first without dual nationality. Bangladesh have denied her having their nationality. I think it's safe to say Javid is on dodgy ground with this. BUT even if she is unsuccessful with any lawsuit, Javid still wins.

I have to say though, if we keep washing our hands of homegrown terrorists in far away countries don't be surprised if the chickens come home to roost later on in far worse ways. We should make them face trial here and lock them up. She wouldn't be the only one in this position either, others like her have faced trial and are in prison before her.

 

[NSIS]

She's far from the only one in this position, others before her had their citizenship revoked. The gallery was created when the media found her and tried to do a Princess Di with her.

I can’t accept that. What @Treble says has the ring on truth to it. Javid is playing a political game and trying to make sure no **** sticks to him. His decision will probably get overturned.

Syria neither invited nor wants these people. Just because they invaded the country why should Syria be called upon to accept responsibility for them?

 

[Stan]

No Stan, go back and read exactly what I wrote if you struggle that badly pal. I wrote that I would prefer not to deal with that life (I’d rather be dead personally) I wasn’t speaking for any other child or how other children are better off imo, I was speaking only for myself.

Go play with your usual crew if you wanna twist **** mate cos I ain’t got time for your boring ****ing drivel.

I didn’t criticise what you initially posted, I asked you a question. Since then you’ve had a bit of a tantrum and because you wouldn’t answer the question and have instead used insults and asked for a ruckus I’ve made an assumption. Let’s knock this on the head as I’ve no interest in discussing stuff like this with you.

 

[DMD]

She's the first without dual nationality. Bangladesh have denied her having their nationality. I think it's safe to say Javid is on dodgy ground with this. BUT even if she is unsuccessful with any lawsuit, Javid still wins.

I have to say though, if we keep washing our hands of homegrown terrorists in far away countries don't be surprised if the chickens come home to roost later on in far worse ways. We should make them face trial here and lock them up. She wouldn't be the only one in this position either, others like her have faced trial and are in prison before her.

Her being here initially hardly works well for your argument on the future threat there.

 

[Commachio]

I actually don't disagree with that

The child always comes first and sometimes that has to be at the expense of the parents. I think the baby should be brought home, no concessions for Begum based on that, and the baby placed into care....before it does die. If Begum refuses to let the baby go, then it needs to be removed from her by force. The reason i say that is that it was reported that the baby could not return without her...sorry but when it comes to kids, their safety comes first and in that refugee camp it will die.

and what use of force would this be?

a snatch and grab?

 

[Stan]

I can’t accept that. What @Treble says has the ring on truth to it. Javid is playing a political game and trying to make sure no **** sticks to him. His decision will probably get overturned.

Syria neither invited nor wants these people. Just because they invaded the country why should Syria be called upon to accept responsibility for them?

Javid trying to look tough will ultimately result in her getting a more lenient sentence when she is deported back to the U.K. He was only looking to appeal to the snarling headline junkies to get a short term boost for his profile and his party. It’s worked a treat so far but will backfire in the end.

 

[brb]

and what use of force would this be?

a snatch and grab?

We could send in the SAS

 

[Tel (they/them)]

I didn’t criticise what you initially posted, I asked you a question. Since then you’ve had a bit of a tantrum and because you wouldn’t answer the question and have instead used insults and asked for a ruckus I’ve made an assumption. Let’s knock this on the head as I’ve no interest in discussing stuff like this with you.

You know, you saying I’m having a tantrum doesn’t make it true.

What happened was you compared my statement that I’d prefer not to be born into this world from two terrorist parents, to a child being born into this world from his/her mother (or father I suppose) being raped.

It’s only the same Stan, if both parents are guilty of disgusting crimes.

I didn’t think you’d need that spelled out for you. Quite clearly you did.

 

[DMD]

I can’t accept that. What @Treble says has the ring on truth to it. Javid is playing a political game and trying to make sure no **** sticks to him. His decision will probably get overturned.

Syria neither invited nor wants these people. Just because they invaded the country why should Syria be called upon to accept responsibility for them?

Him being a politician, and in the position he's in, means it's self evident he plays the political game. The reason this one has become high profile was due to the media coverage of her trip out there, and the media finding her recently. We don't hear much about the other lasses that went out with her. Should we be dashing over and dragging their kids back?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

You know, you saying I’m having a tantrum doesn’t make it true.

What happened was you compared my statement that I’d prefer not to be born into this world from two terrorist parents, to a child being born into this world from his/her mother (or father I suppose) being raped.

It’s only the same Stan, if both parents are guilty of disgusting crimes.

I didn’t think you’d need that spelled out for you. Quite clearly you did.

She’s not guilty. At least not yet as far as we know

 

[Commachio]

We could send in the SAS

How and why?