Lazar Markovic

Support ur team and players, not sure why sakhos cock came into it but whatever ur into

When was I not supporting my players or my team? Have a lie down mate, have a rant, you'll feel better. No player is exempt from criticism, I never said he won't get better nor is he not a good player, he's been below par. Nor have I said I won't will him on when he's playing. Some give your head a wobble mate and have a **** <ok>
 
When was I not supporting my players or my team? Have a lie down mate, have a rant, you'll feel better. No player is exempt from criticism, I never said he won't get better nor is he not a good player, he's been below par. Nor have I said I won't will him on when he's playing. Some give your head a wobble mate and have a **** <ok>[/QUOTE.

Well I have, and I don't take it back. The logic behind Garharsam's(sp) point is that we support anything in a red shirt to the hilt - which I do when I go to the game. But on an internet forum I'll ****ing call it as I see it. He's not shown anything better than Jovanovic or Joe Cole, and the so-called exceptional speed we were told to expect is conspicuous by its absence. For heaven's sake, we could have had Kopywhatsit from Donetsk for £5m less.

I played the game to schoolboy and local league level. That's a lot lower than Michael Owen and Alan Smith, but I regard myself as a better commentator than both (not that that's saying much). And I'll say this again - from what I've seen of Markovic he has less pace and control than Stuart, overpriced by £15m, Downing (not that I'd want that **** back again).

As to the other point made about scapegoating - I was wrong about Allen in that, after that horrendous miss in last year's Goodison derby, I never thought he had the bottle to play at this level. I never doubted his innate skills. Lucas was another who, no-one ever doubted, could pick a pass and break up play: what was lacking in his first couple of seasons was that he was easily knocked off the ball and picked up several early, unnecessary bookings (still does, occasionally). Both were never seen to not have the technical skills to play at this level. I truly don't see Markovic as having these basic, entry-level skills to play at this level, but given that Lambert (whose ball-playing skills at Soton were unquestionable) can't trap a dead rat atm, I hope to be proved wrong.

Scapegoating? How I wish I could have been saying that Coutinho didn't do much, but it's too early to judge his replacement of the last 20 minutes in Markovic, but that didn't happen, did it? FFS, he barely got a decent kick against Boro in midweek. Oh, and to add to the pot, I admitted towards the end of last season that I was too quick to judge Mignolet. Not now I'm not - wish I'd stuck to my original verdict that the guy is a liability.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of scape goat <ok>
I know you were, but I disagree with players getting that tag. I think players who play **** will be criticised and sometimes one player is more **** than the others, more often than the rest too. Other times, players are, at best, extremely passive. Johnson is nearly always dire, Allen is usually passive and Markovic, so far, has been poor in every game. It's not scape goating, it's just observations. It's only scape goating when one player is identified as the sole poor performer despite a collectively poor performance by the team.

I still hope for Markovic to make it, but 20million for a young player with potential when we've just sold the (arguably) third best player in the world is bound to earn him some stick when he doesn't show much because, player for player, he's taking his spot in the team...although that disappointment should mostly be aimed at Rodgers imo.
 
I know you were, but I disagree with players getting that tag. I think players who play **** will be criticised and sometimes one player is more **** than the others, more often than the rest too. Other times, players are, at best, extremely passive. Johnson is nearly always dire, Allen is usually passive and Markovic, so far, has been poor in every game. It's not scape goating, it's just observations. It's only scape goating when one player is identified as the sole poor performer despite a collectively poor performance by the team.

I still hope for Markovic to make it, but 20million for a young player with potential when we've just sold the (arguably) third best player in the world is bound to earn him some stick when he doesn't show much because, player for player, he's taking his spot in the team...although that disappointment should mostly be aimed at Rodgers imo.

Oh, I agree that a player should expect criticism if they play **** and Markovic is no different. However, scape goats get **** whether they play well or not and I suspect people have already made their mind up about Lazar without giving the young lad a chance.
 
Markovic is very young and was identified because of his potential

£20m is the going rate for that these days

£20m on old Downing with experience in the league was supposed to be a sure thing

£20m isn't the 'going rate' for young players from the continent, you deluded mug
 
I do hope Markovic is just settling and will hit form soon. But in the mean time he should be treated like any young player trying to make the break through, Like Suso. Until he proves himself he should be playing with so much on his shoulders.

Markovic and Suso are the same age.
 
I do hope Markovic is just settling and will hit form soon. But in the mean time he should be treated like any young player trying to make the break through, Like Suso. Until he proves himself he should be playing with so much on his shoulders.

Markovic and Suso are the same age.
It's a worry that despite Suso showing more so far this season for us, he'll never get in the team ahead of Markovic because either a, Markovic cost us 20mill and Suso didn't, or b, Markovic is Rodgers' player and Suso isn't. Like you said, same age, both young and talented with plenty to prove....but one will clearly be given more chances and time than the other.
 
I do hope Markovic is just settling and will hit form soon. But in the mean time he should be treated like any young player trying to make the break through, Like Suso. Until he proves himself he should be playing with so much on his shoulders.

Markovic and Suso are the same age.

the only one who seems to doubt that Susu has skill and pace is Brendan. fair enough: he's the manager. I do think we're allowed to criticise that judgement though when, even if he's not having a good game, Suso shows pace and skill, whilst Markovic simply hasn't shown either, as yet. And, as Tobes rightly points out (damn him :( ) £20m is NOT chickenfeed for a 20-year old from Europe.
 
It's a worry that despite Suso showing more so far this season for us, he'll never get in the team ahead of Markovic because either a, Markovic cost us 20mill and Suso didn't, or b, Markovic is Rodgers' player and Suso isn't. Like you said, same age, both young and talented with plenty to prove....but one will clearly be given more chances and time than the other.

Brod also splashed out on Borini, Alberto and Aspas but hasn't stuck by those buys.
 
Brod also splashed out on Borini, Alberto and Aspas but hasn't stuck by those buys.

Alberto may yet return and do well.

Markovic could have been a transfer panel coup and not just a Rodgers buy.

Originally we were going to buy Konoplyanka, but if the scouts say some one better and younger is available Brendan's going to be curious.

As for pickng Markovic over Suso. They are different tpes of player. It was all about tactics for the game.

I agree with the tactical decision in terms of picking a quick winger. But Markovic did not perform.
 
Alberto may yet return and do well.

Markovic could have been a transfer panel coup and not just a Rodgers buy.

Originally we were going to buy Konoplyanka, but if the scouts say some one better and younger is available Brendan's going to be curious.

As for pickng Markovic over Suso. They are different tpes of player. It was all about tactics for the game.

I agree with the tactical decision in terms of picking a quick winger. But Markovic did not perform.

Not that quick either, from what we've seen so far.
 
Lay off Markovic. He's been dire, but in no way should he be a scapegoat for today's disappointment. In the last 30 minutes, with Coutinho on, although he was on his toes and looked lively and sharp, we didn't exactly turn it on. On the contrary.
 
Lay off Markovic. He's been dire, but in no way should he be a scapegoat for today's disappointment. In the last 30 minutes, with Coutinho on, although he was on his toes and looked lively and sharp, we didn't exactly turn it on. On the contrary.

****ing hell, thats twice we've agreed in two days <yikes>