well its high time that the 3pm saturday slot was looked after. My proposal would be to sell it for a lot more moeny and put all the matches on the red button for you to choose. Also i believe the europa should be moved to wednesdays at 6pm and sold as such to be a curtain raiser for the main CL games. That would end the tv exile of spurs this season It is force major at this point. you make it so expensive to see my team? fine i'll stream it and you lose.
Not on TV. They're embarassing. Maybe the poor media facilities aren't allowing the crowd to be accurately reflected but on TV it's shockingly dead.
It'll never happen, as it'd affect the entire football league pyramid, as well as damaging attendances at PL grounds. Who wants to sit in their living room watching games played in empty stadiums ffs?
Yawn, try visiting Anfield at some point & you'll find it's exactly the same, you're just too one eyed to realise it lad.
you are quite right of course... however... everyone is wathcing... to see barca. nobody is wathcing to see gefate hand barca another 4-0 win are they? same for the english prem. I would love to know how many people watch some of the super sunday matches i've seen put on this year... but this is reality time. what clubs REALLY want is european super league were each team looks after it sown home games and then sells rights to the opposing teams tv station. it will occur someday if the uefa/fifa power is broken. In the end my money is going in some regard to southamptons spending spree... or propping up swansea's expansion or paying parachute payments to clubs like blackburn who could never even get a decent crowd in the Prem in. In hsort i am too old to be giving any thought or care to other clubs... i've said my piece on luton or pompey and a few others where fans were rode sideways by shisters and thats different to me. This IMO is about my money going to my club not multiple tv channels to line pockets. tobes you are right the day the english prem allows individual tv rights it is its death warrant as a super league of really desirable matches is round the corner. I think my view then would be... no bad thing.... the old school fans might be able to see more local matches then when LFC B plays in the english league with you lot
whay do you think that would happen as a serious question. If saturday 3pm had 6 matches guaranteed... all on say sky like football first. Do you really think that if fans could see their teams game at home they would not go? I think its time the clubs also got real and offered just that bit more of a match day anyway. You cannot replicate the experience on a TV.... bad puka pies and warm plastic bottled beer is not an experience mind. Just my opinion. No on a serious not. if the entire footbal pyramid would be affect then the next obvious step in my eyes would be to facilitiate it by the lower league making the radical step of moving thier games..... OR if thats unacceptable move the prem slot so that these red button games are facilitating the lower league crowds. My opinion right now is having games not on tv = allow people the excuse to go find a stream. If a person can find their game on tv they usually will go see it there cos its far better. Exmaple LFC v southampton. I saw it on a stream. don't think it was on TV. LFC v palace, stream it as it was on BT. each time i do that they lose out on revenue from me don't they? They attacked first row sports preseason IMO for a reason, its popularity. It was back very quickly. therefore surely it makes more sense to offer a better product to the majority? thats just my thoughts anyway. TV cannot consider us captured herds to be milked as we are flooding to free sites.
Match going fans don't want that at all. A European league would bore the arse off me. I want domestic football, it's our history, our heritage, there's passion, pride & over a century of rivalries & it's what makes the EPL the best on the planet. I'm not sure you're English & I'm certain you don't go to the match, so maybe you don't 'get' that aspect of it, but the day we choose to swap that for some European borefest, is the day I stop going.
Not many people are watching. I'm completely bored by their league. Even the massive shock of Atletico being in the top 2 so far this year doesn't entice me to watch a single minute of La Liga. Their league is just filler for match fitness between Champions League games.
If the TV companies & the EPL don't manage to gain a much tighter control over the ILLEGAL net streaming of their product, then as the technology improves & the quality goes with it, over time the TV companies & the clubs themselves will lose subscribers & match goers. But ultimately, everyone who switches from paying to watching illegally for free, is taking money out of the EPL coffers & again over time, it'll have an affect. The value of TV deals could go down, match attendances decrease & thus the 'product' will get worse, as the best players are drawn to the league with the greatest rewards....... Careful what you wish for....
I don't really understand why you think attendances will drop if the tv deals etc go down. the wages drop the quality might drop and yes tourists coming might drop but there's 70k on our season ticket list and they'll go. I mean honestly is the product in spain that bad that half the gorunds are empty? No IMO. Also I've been in germany where hertha berlin were the topic of conversation about 1.5 hours from berlin as a catchment area and they were debating how good voronin was for 2mil! grounds i think are full in germany too. I think with torrent streaming its next to impossible to track these streaming sites so someone in the end has to "legalise it" as in someone has got to come up with the means to provide every game for a fee, just like itunes perhaps? I want this game i pay £3.. not £5 or whatever. sky go is sort of an attempt but i just think right nwo the TV companies are way behind the trends in technology. all we need is someone like netflix to think hey, this sports lack is a great way to get customers, let me pay x and show the games. Certainly i cannot see a clampdown on illegal streaming wokring. way back napster was nailed beacuse it was a company they could get. if whoeve ris doing firstrow is smart and doesn't infect computers but just sells dodgy adverts and lets peopel share via torrent then they will keep popping up. what we i think need is some sort of legal reasonable cost game by game purchase system. I can see me saying hey guys i bought the game for tonight, coming over? big screen, good sound no ads, great product. I bought it cos i want it and it didn't cost me a ridiculous fee like sky were charge for PPV before. however if having such a system meant the experience of a match day out was broken the product would die and yes that's true.. I cannot simply see how a great online/tv experience where i don't need say 5 companies under subscription to find M game would mean less people would go to the game. After all being there is bring people from Thailand, japan and norway In short the rate of change of technology and expectation is so fast in the past 3 years and will be i nthe next 5 years that I think sky will be left behind. We are all going online for all TV very soon IMO.
definitely some truth in that but how about putting it in the perspective of spanish people watching... if sky are showing spanish football here someone must be watching here and i would guess only the really big teams I don't know but can we say anything about viewership in spain itself? would they share the same view... I have no idea.
That fair enough too. I know plenty of people who would say the same thing about a european league. My point was the clubs want it in my opinion. however I don't agree the prem is the best on the planet and the rivalries are not centuries old in many respects. yes LFC everton is but say LFC chelsea from 2005- 2009 was a johnny come lately affair, none the less brilliant for it. I think the prem is a mixed bag just as the other leagues are a mixed bag and i don't buy the thought sometimes that any of our sides say form 10-20 in our league could beat any o the sapnish side sin the same position. just cos swansea did over valencia on a given day doesn't mean it'd happen if the stakes were real (europa gorup? come on... we played kids in it) finally I've been to plenty of matches so I don't need to rise to that last line. I'm merely speculating based on a couple of points expanding upon the orginal TV one. I really do think that with 2 kids under the age of 3 my going to matches days are well curtailed and finding the right medium to basically see the games I want to see is my premise. as i said the european league is a logical extension of the big clubs doing thier own tv deals. I think I'd rather pay my money to LFC for the betterment of LFC and not for sky's pocket lining... mind you I felt that way for a very long time and paid sky. I actually got rid of sky last year but put it back in for one game paid the month and wnet to cancel it and they gave me "sky sports 1 for £5" and I can swithc between sky sport 1 and 2 as many times as i like. Ergo I get quite a few games for a £5 a month now. when jnr and his sister are old enough i'll take them to games and see if they like it. but like i said, when they came along I have to pay for them not for my own fun.
I was in a bar over there in a town about half way between stuttgart and munich when bayern beat real 2 years ago. the place was hopping mad for bayern. I don't watch too much of it mind. the sky tv guys are as annoying in german as they are in english. They do love a kci about over there but are as arrogant as sin over thier teams being the best and all that.
I didn't say that, I was saying that it would happen if you screened every game at 3 pm on a Saturday. As for the rest of what you're saying there, it's already happened? BT games are streamed over the net & the games are free if you have BT broadband. Sky also stream their live games over the net via Sky Go. Having games as individual PPV events has been tried years ago, but it failed to provide an acceptable level of consistent income for the providers & the model didn't add up when compared with the purchase costs. So Sky only have the option of monthly - year long - subscription. Sky users now have a unique ID number on their screen, which will identify them as the source should they stream the match. The issue of piracy & how the TV companies use existing / future technologies are 2 distinctly different issues imo. For me the former should be squashed, as it's theft pure & simple & if left unchecked will eventually damage the game in this country. I fully support the drive to stamp it out. I think a few prosecutions of those sat watching it might be a useful step, & would certainly be an avenue I'd be looking at, if I was at the broadcasters.
How could they make them affordable when compared to a quality net stream for a couple of quid? (which is what MITO was suggesting & I was responding to)
