Echoing OLM here...including the lack of rep point, sorry about that Leonardo..the thought was there! A good last thought...i completely agree.
With OLM and H ! Good luck MM ,you got conway , now mitts off the rest of our staff, sod off and find your own!
Same here: bye bye Mackay, I don't wish you luck (nor any particular ill), now leave us alone please.
I don't want to stir things up too much but I just wondered if Malky asking Sean D to become his number 2 constitutes an illegal approach?
Suppose it would depend if the club expected Malky to try and take Dyche... Interesting Dyche said no though bare in mind again it would be more money etc. Dychey did say at a private (one not on radio) fans forums he'd like to be a manager and its a good test for him.
I can not agree with this, sorry. Cardiff have realised that DJ was not going to take them up, so got rid and replaced him, like all teams do at some point. It does not follow that they expect him to gain promotion at the first attempt though and more so as they have effectively lost their front line. If Cardiff end up mid table or higher I think he will have achieved what the board wanted for the first season, simply to get some stability. Then the expectations will be raised and then we will see what he is made of. Personally I think it's a great appointment for the Bluebirds but I could be wrong. Am I sorry to see him leave Watford? Yes & No. Yes - because as an ex Canary hero I was happy to see him do pretty well (certainly in the first half of last season) and it would have been nice to see what he could do this coming season. No - If he want's to follow his ambitions and believes it's the right thing for him, then ok it's his choice. As football fans we can like it or lump it but it doesn't change a thing, just need to get on with our lives and support our team today, not last week/month etc
Unfortunately Thai, sometimes the board's and the fan's expectations can be quite different. A lot of Cardiff fans probably expect them to be challenging again, even though they have lost about a dozen players, including pretty much their whole strike-force. If Malky doesn't hit the ground running there, you can imagine the fans starting to get on his back - you hope for his sake they don't, but when fans have missed out the last few years, they do expect to be up there again!! For me, their season is one of transition - rebuilding the squad and he does need at least 2 or 3 seasons for them to be pushing strongly... History says he will have time seeming DJ had 6 - but will the fans and the new Malysian owner see it the same way!!
This is where I think we will need to agree to disagree. From the Cardiff fans I know, and I accept I only know a small percentage, they accept they probably will not be in the running this time round and consequently are unlikely to be giving the players a hard time, even in poor games for them. The reality is, until a ball is kicked in anger we just will not know.
No we won't - but personally I don't think Not606 (or the old BBC) is a good representation of the crowd. I think you get much more reasoned thought on here rather than in the stands, and as soon as they have a few losses in a row, epsecially at home, the crowd will get on Malky's and the teams back. I have seen a few fans say mid-table is fine, whereas others suggest they should be in the top 6 in his first season! I guess they will have to wait and see how he replaces all those players that have gone!
You only have to look at Reading after they appointed Rodgers - they knew they were in transition and did not even sack their manager - they went after a former employee - got him and then when things did not go as they wanted they sacked him before Christmas. I hope the same happens to Malky - for similar reasons. Rodgers lied to us when he said he had integrity and Malky lied to everyone when he signed a contract he had no intention of honouring and then asked to speak to Cardiff when the Board had denied them an approach ( it is almost certain that he or his agent had already had discussions). If Rodgers had kept his mouth shut and if MM had said wait and see instead of agreeing to a contract in March I would have wished them both well - times change and people are entitled to move on - but you don't have to applaud lack of honour
How much of a contract do you have to complete before you are considered to be 'honourable'? What, all of it? If he doesn't sign a contract then he's holding the club to ransom. If he does sign a contract but then has an offer where he feels he can improve himself, why did Mackay not do the 'honourable thing' when Sir Graham Taylor left him in his office with the regimental pistol? I just can't believe this stuff about Malky. I come back to: a) How much of a contract do you have to have completed to remain honourable? b) Which great Hornet players fall into the category of dishonourable because of this? For me, the honour comes into what they say e.g. Connolly, after leaving; do before leaving, e.g. Williamson, refusing to play allegedly (although, in fairness, he was the only Magpie not to celebrate their goals at Vicarage Road, jogging on his own back into their half - something that went unmentioned I believe on the boards). Are the club dishonourable for not fulfilling Aidy Boothroyd's contract? They signed an agreement, why did they not see it through? Despicable! Nathan Ellington was under the impression he was to be our star striker yet made very few appearances for us. What a terrible club for misleading this poor (ha!) young man! (As a matter of interest, how much was the old lardarse massively berated for wanting to see out his contract?!!) Ashley Young had not completed his contract, earned the club millions of pounds on his sale to Villa and is injecting (we hope) further vitally needed revenue on his sale to Man Utd. What a dreadful man, pulling the wool over the adoring Watford fans' eyes by not fulfilling his contract with us and going for next to sweet f.a. Danny Graham - the shyster! He signed a contract with the club he did not want, nor thought that he would, complete. Please explain the argument, because I'm clearly missing your point. How much has to be served to remain 'honourable'? 90%? 70%? 10%? I'm at a loss to understand precisely how much. I think of the contract as defining current terms and conditions and as a means of extracting some sort of 'fee' since the Bosman ruling meant staff would otherwise leave the club without any form of compensation.
SLB - you are so far from me on this that for once I cannot be bothered to answer your individual points. However if you think what he did was honourable then good luck to you and to anyone you work with if you treat them like that or they treat you that way. Your ideas of honour just happen to differ from mine. He signed a contract knowing Watford were trying to tie him down and ease his unrest, he clearly had talks or his agent did behind the clubs back and he did not accept the club denying him permission to speak to them so it is not just what he did but also what he said. Worse but understandable when he had left he tried to take Dyche with him and he took Conway for whom he was negotiating for Watford -and it is strange that Conway delayed a decision about coming to Watford and then signed straight-away for Swansea. Dont draw red herrings about other players - DG did nothing wrong and I nor anyone else has suggested that all players and all managers shoulld always stay to the end of their contractrs. For DG the club the player and most of the fans knew what was happening and approved it. You allow your good opinion of MM to cloud your judgement. As for saying that one sentence containing the word integrity was worse than Malky's actions - that is laughable We don't often violently disagree - but we do here and although I respect your opinion and your right to air it - it is my opinion that you have got this one 100% wrong. If it looks like a fish and smells like a fish - it is a fish - and this is a Haddock
Or a red herring. One person who did do the right thing by anybodies standards is Ray Lewington. Agreed to become Watford manager after the Vialli debacle, knew it would be under dreadful circumstances, was offered a better paid job at Fulham (I think) --but turned it down, because he had just committed to Watford. Now that was the decent thing to do, but it was in a different era, and Lewington is a man of a different generation.
Actually I apologise to SLB for my previous post - it was not fair - I respect his opinions and reading my post it comes across too personal. We all have our opinions SLB likes MM and "forgives" what he sees as a career decision whereas I feel he implied to the new Board at Watford that he would be our man for the coming season but then changed his mind. In life I have always tried to act with the utmost honour and would never have dreamed of behaving as MM did - never mind what other players or managers do. I thought the was better than that but at best he showed he is not. I have never worked with anyone who would have signed a contract and broken it 3 months later unless circumstances had changed dramatically - I cannot accept the argument that MM and the Board were simply setting up Compensation. Hey ho - it is over - let's move on
Leo, can you visit some other boards and do some educating? This shows exactly why I like you board so much now. Sensible, constructive & have the ability to compromise
