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Discussion in 'Charlton' started by ForestHillBilly, Nov 14, 2019.

  1. lardiman

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    We haven't had a Lord in the Cabinet for quite a while I think.
    Solid old Tory tradition.

    If I recall correctly I read about some members of Parliament trying to prevent Winston Churchill becoming PM in 1940.
    Their alternative candidate was a crusty old toff by the name of Lord Halifax (or Lord something anyway).
    Even at the time half of them probably said "who?" while the other half were laughing.
     
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    If you haven’t already seen it then I recommend watching this film. It covers the events you mention and is well worth the time spent….

     
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    Cabinet meetings will be quite strange, I would think. His presence will not be universally welcomed.
     
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    I've only seen a short bit of that movie, the bit where Winston is in the underground train. Did that really happen?
     
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    A lurch to the centre. "Call me Dave" is a remainer and a jolly nice bloke by all accounts.
     
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    No, it was a good scene, but entirely fictitious.
     
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    I did wonder about that bit. I don’t know is the simple answer. But it’s a cracking film whether or not you believe all of it.

    Had very tight decisions been made slightly differently then history would be very different to what it is today.

    Would we be better off or worse off 80 years later ? Tough question.
     
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    Actually I disagree with this. Cameron called the election, and leave won. However, Cameron was a well known remainer and had he implemented Brexit and it failed to meet the levels of success it was trumpeted to be, he would have been blamed as having implemented a Remainers Brexit, so he rightly stood aside to let people who actually wanted Brexit to try and see it in. That the current state of affairs is still blamed on the people who implemented it as being a remainers Brexit is just a side effect of the whole tale.
     
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    Yep, I can understand that viewpoint.

    I just believe that as Prime Minister and as the person who asked the British people what they wanted he should have done his best to carry out that decision. I see it as a leadership issue rather than one of whether he supported Brexit or not.
     
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    I think his association with austerity will be far more damaging than that decision, which seemed sensible to a lot of voters who thought only true believers could make Brexit work.
     
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    Being so far behind in the polls the Tories really need to do something more dramatic to have any chance of catching up.

    Bringing back call me Dave is likely to lose as many votes as it gains.

    Sir Keir Rodney Starmer it will be then.
     
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    Seems to be a rule of British politics that once a party has been in power for a certain time they tear themselves to pieces.
     
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    Acton 01.png

    Written in a letter to an Anglican Bishop in 1887.
    Wiki is your friend <hug>
     
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    Presuming that those with power do no wrong is a concept long since consigned to the toilet
     
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    Yes, it was mentioned that Lord Acton may have pinched or modified a quote from the time of the French Revolution.

    Brown trousers time for most of the British Aristocracy as well :bandit:
     
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    off topic, but we are about to get a new Socialist government here in Spain. However, teh vote was hugely split and they have had to make deals with the Catalan Independence parties, who have put down some pretty heavy conditions, amongst which ate an amnesty for everyone convicted or being hunted for illegal activity during the 2017 illegal referendum, which the Socialists have agreed to, infuriating a lot of centre and right (and even left wing) Spaniards, who now find that breaking the law is possible for politicians if you can find another party who needs your vote. Frankly, I'm in with that - why the hell should politicians get a pardon for illegal activity. Seems like blind justice is only for poor folk. Who'd have thunk it!
     
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    if…….we don’t stop the boats
     
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    Can’t stop the boats until France steps up rather than turning a blind eye
     
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    if…….they stick together and don’t start infighting
     
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    Fighting over the difference between a humanitarian pause and a ceasefire in Gaza is typical Labour.
     
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